nostr:nprofile1qqs9pk20ctv9srrg9vr354p03v0rrgsqkpggh2u45va77zz4mu5p6ccpzemhxue69uhk2er9dchxummnw3ezumrpdejz7qgkwaehxw309a5xjum59ehx7um5wghxcctwvshszrnhwden5te0dehhxtnvdakz7qrxnfk to build a good WoT, you will need to use the existing outbox model to find the trust drivers of the network, regardless of how you define what "trust" means for bitchat users.
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I think client side heuristic spam filters would go a long way. Also just a working block command is necessary
We have been down this road on nostr. Its not enough.
Sure, but does it not help at all? What's wrong with having multiple layers of spam blocking? It doesn't have to be effective, just not useless. Even removing 30% of the worst spam is better than not. And this is much more relevant to bitchat than amethyst.
Spammers are scripts running on desktops, sometimes with GPUs, wired to a power outlet. There is no way battery-based systems can beat them. All you are going to do is to waste people's batteries. We implemented pow on amethyst, but it was clearly draining way faster than what we though it would.
So have people mine the PoW tokens on wall power to use later on battery.
How many times do I have to re-explain basic concepts like PoW as a random guy who can't code, in discussions with top nostr devs?
I don't think that's what we're building. We want to talk to everyone in a location and people you don t know. There is no concept of following. You're thinking about a Twitter clone with feeds and follows etc.
Let's play it through: How would it work in your mind? You travel to SF and you want to know what's up on SF. You have 0 friends in SF.
Vice versa, you're in Tokyo. You want to ask all your neighbors where the best events are today. You don't know who's loving around you.
WoT doesn't change any of those goals. It would just filter out all of the spam out to just people that have follows in the rest of nostr.
We went down this road with Around me and many public chat specs in nostr. Only wot can save you from the spam.
Sorry but I don't understand how. If you could explain it in a bit more detail or addressed the issues that I've noted I might. appreciate you.
As a user, I don't want to see messages from brand new Nostr accounts. I want to see messages from people that have had Nostr for a while or that I have chatted before, regardless if I am following them directly or not.
Each spammer can easily connect to all relays around the globe at the same time and can reply as if they were a local person. Bitchat Bluetooth requires presence, the public ephemeral chat doesn't.
You will have to figure out which users are real and which ones are not without having to make them pay for it. Because otherwise, US spammers can pay much more than Indonesian users. Spammers will always win.
WoT is built over time and because it is based on my follows, my follows' follow and follows follow' follows, it's extremely hard for spammers to get in. These were users I built a relationship with even though I don't follow them directly. They spent time to gather my likes, reactions, replies.
That's the real proof of work. Money cannot just buy it. Spammers can make a billion users and make them reply to each other as many times as they want, my WoT is still unaffected. They don't have a way to get in.