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without fail he posits the BEST self sovereign non-custodial LN usage,

against the WORST monero usage and edge cases

and speaks as if that was default usage.

its not that he doesn't have legitimate points,

but he feels like its his responsibility to push LN without actually explaining the tradeoffs to people.

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Kanzan does not point out any errors in my reasoning

Apparently he doesn't think using lightning in a privacy preserving manner is practical, and he thinks using monero in a privacy preserving manner is

I disagree, I think using either one in a privacy preserving manner requires running your own node and doing it over tor

True, most people won't do that

But if you care about your privacy, doing it on LN gets you in a better place than you get by doing it on XMR

That is NOT what I said.

try responding to what I actually DID say,

rather than making something up and talking about that instead.

> he posits the BEST self sovereign non-custodial LN usage, against the WORST monero usage

This seems equivalent to the point I argued against:

> he doesn't think using lightning in a privacy preserving manner is practical, and he thinks using monero in a privacy preserving manner is

The "BEST" self-sovereign non-custodial LN usage seems equivalent to what I describe as "using lightning in a privacy preserving manner"

What you describe as "the WORST monero usage" seems equivalent what I contrast with "using monero in a privacy preserving manner"

It seems to me, based on your own words, that you think the former is impractical and the latter is practical

But I disagree for the reasons provided above

I said nothing about the practicality of implementation.

but I got it 👍

you're guessing equivalency between stuff I said

and stuff you think.

if you want we can (again) have a actual discussion about the user experience of running a LN node vs running a monero node.

or a comparison of the UX of sending $1000 worth of sats through LN

or through monero