I have a love/hate relationship with signal.

I love that it's such a good and easy to use tool to onboard people to privacy.

I hate that it's still centrally controlled, and can still rug people.

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Best privacy messages is no messages . 😁

We all like being social with people, and we all like the convenience of being able to do it over the internet.

Doesn't mean anyone else has the right to be all up in my business.

Doesn't mean I quit being social.

True

I was trying to self-host ejabberd or prosody with audio and video calls pretty much because of that.

Few times

Still trying

Chat apps have a heavy reliance on network effects, self-hosted solutions will not be able to cut it.

MLS on nostr is promising, and perhaps the only possible solution to this problem.

What is MLS?

Messaging Layer Security. It's a protocol for encrypted group messages, so far it has required central servers, though nostr:nprofile1qqspwwwexlwgcrrnwz4zwkze8rq3ncjug8mvgsd96dxx6wzs8ccndmcpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgqgcwaehxw309aex2mrp0yh8xmn0wf6zuum0vd5kzmqpzfmhxue69uhhqatjwpkx2urpvuhx2uctyqxu5 has figured out how to do it with nostr and we have whitenoise which is kind of like signal on nostr.