I still don't understand what the big deal is about vaccines.

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The new "vaccine" is not a vaccine. It's gene therapy. It introduces a spike protein. That protein can, in some cases, cause autoimmune disorders, adverse effects in gut health, and heart inflammation. Longer studies will disclose if it was worth the risk of taking an experimental gene therapy shot.

Well that does seem like a concern. I guess we do have a history as a species of piling into things before understanding the long term effects.

I'm sure there are usecases for it. It probably should have been studied longer and not rushed out and promoted for profit with false advertising peddled by all the mainstream news organizations.

The thing is it is still effective at reducing symptoms and deaths from COVID. My mom is immunosuppressed and she would have probably died from COVID without the boost to her immune system when she did eventually catch it.

I can see why people are upset though about the risks not being disclosed well and some people having to choose between their job and getting the shot. I just don't think it's a hill worth dying on. The messaging is really tough too, because if you come out against the COVID vaccine people might think you're also against traditional vaccines which have completely irradicated some really nasty diseases.

Idk, I think an experimental vaccine was an appropriate response to the COVID threat at the time. Same with lockdowns and mask mandates. We didn't understand it well and couldn't have known it would evolve to be so much less deadly. Hospitals were getting overwhelmed and people were really afraid.

All I could suggest here is that if this topic interests you, you should dig deeper into it.

The rabbit hole is deeper than what Bitcoin made you understand about money and a lot of other truths.

Yeah we need to bring back Diphtheria, HPV, Hepatitis, Mumps, Polio, Tetanus, Whooping Cough...

People are such pussies nowadays. 🤣🤣🤣

Exactly!

In 1 word ….. Trust.

You didn’t find the coercion alarming?

Not really. It seemed justified at the time and it wasn't any worse than all the other things the govt coerces me to do.

Have they ever coerced you into a medical procedure?

Does being born count?

Haha Blame yo momma for that.

Sorry, no, I don't know. I'm more worried about the things we don't even get a choice about, like the constant theft.

I lost my career so they stole that from me in addition to constant theft through taxation. My children and I have all had injuries from vaccines—childhood and flu vaccines. I was naturally hesitant with a rushed, new vax tech and the evidence of foul play continued to pile up as I watched it unfold.

I'm sorry to hear that and I can empathize. Forcing people to choose between their career and getting the vaccine was definitely wrong, I can agree on that much.

My experience with vaccines has been different. The COVID vaccine may have saved my mother's life and it gave me the confidence to return to a more normal way of life after a challenging year.

It's certainly not fair that some people have had negative experiences while I have had mostly only positive ones, but hopefully you can understand why I can't really find much reason to be all that angry about it. I will at least not judge those that are angry about it as harshly as I have before though.

Yes we definitely come from two very different vantage points. I was angry about the coercion. Take the shot, don’t take it, your choice.

I’m not sure those who didn’t go through what we did in 2021 can comprehend what a state of fear we were living in if we chose not to get the shot. We were terrorized and demonized throughout society.

It got to the point here in Canada where I was stuck in town after an accident, and I wasn’t allowed to sit anywhere in public with my children while others could. Not a restaurant. Not a recreational facility. Not the movies. We went to Walmart because that’s the only place that allowed us in.

Then they said Quebec was checking your passports at Canadian tire and Walmart too. And they were going to TAX us… Tax us. Not smokers or substance abusers. People who were lacking trust in the government narrative.

Then the convoy rolled through and all the insanity conveniently started to be rolled back. 🇨🇦

Yes we definitely come from two very different vantage points. I was angry about the coercion. Take the shot, don’t take it, your choice.

I’m not sure those who didn’t go through what we did in 2021 can comprehend what a state of fear we were living in if we chose not to get the shot. We were terrorized and demonized throughout society.

It got to the point here in Canada where I was stuck in town after an accident, and I wasn’t allowed to sit anywhere in public with my children while others could. Not a restaurant. Not a recreational facility. Not the movies. We went to Walmart because that’s the only place that allowed us in.

Then they said Quebec was checking your passports at Canadian tire and Walmart too. And they were going to TAX us… Tax us. Not smokers or substance abusers. People who were lacking trust in the government narrative.

Then the convoy rolled through and all the insanity conveniently started to be rolled back. 🇨🇦

Wow, I didn't know things were that bad in Canada. I never had my vaccine card checked once outside of a healthcare setting here in the US.