Call me what you want but I am so sick of effeminately affected men.

Why can't men be masculine and women be feminine? Was that really so terrible? Suits and spring dresses? Strength and grace? Power and beauty?

We used to embrace the dance of differences.

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Nothing is stopping you from being masculine.

Nothing has, correct.

My point is that nature is not only normative but beautiful. Essence precedes existence. Virtue is being what ought to be, and when you see that opportunity missed, it's like seeing someone who forgoes the hike to the mountaintop, missing its view, to stay in the parking lot and scroll in their car.

Meh. Chicks can be butch and dudes can be sissies, doesn’t bother me. There will always be manly men and girly girls too. It’s a free market 😂

Essence precedes existence.

I’m sorry you left me no choice

Sorry, back, i had a thought. If a guy is super manly and jacked but is also gay, is that ok? Or gotta be straight and manly

It's a reasonable question. Virtue means 'manliness' -- meaning that it is good to be what we ought to be -- so that would mean hetero at the root, yes, but the accouterments of manliness, I think, should also be there. To be 'vicious' is to be 'of vice' -- vice meaning something 'instead of'. Virtue and vice.

The obvious next question is: well, what 'ought' we to be? Are there external and objective norms? Or are they all purely internal and subjective? Must I conform to some pre-existing definition of manliness (essence precedes existence), or am I completely free (even in a religious sense, not merely political or social) to decide for myself every aspect of what I 'ought' to be (existence precedes essence)?

I see design and order in creation/nature. I see purpose. I see beauty and rationality. That means a Designer, a Creator, an Artist, a Definer of existence. And I also see that this all good, and even *for* our good.

So, it's ultimately a question of whether one believes in transcendent norms of existence (i.e., theism), or not (anti-theism). Not everyone agrees with this underlying worldview, and so it's logical that not everyone will agree with the sensibilities and persuasions and propensities that go along with that. I just wish they did: it's beautiful and orderly and purposeful here. It's part compassion, and (I admit, a larger) part simple distaste.

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