I donāt consider it ethical to take someone elseās code (open source or closed source) to spin up a direct competitor and profit from the originalās authors work
IMO not much different than Chinese companies stealing IP/trade secrets from American companies to make cheap knock-offs
You don't believe in open source anon?
Why do you still reply to my notes?
You are an ignorant hateful scumbag. I have no interest engaging with you.
Keep blaming all of the worlds problems on Jews
This is not what happened,
You're parroting influencers and NVK.
Wait so what Coinkite did to Trezor was unethical too then right?
Waiting for evidence showing that coinkite did the same thing to trezor as what foundation did to coinkite. nostr:nprofile1qqswyfs20tenkwarqp6pz8z9v7fuaavd926rckt9hkak2husl9eentqu2wpzj isnāt providing anything though
If someone can show me some evidence that coinkite explicitly ripped off trezor I am happy to admit they got their start in an unethical manner
Again have not seen any actual evidenceā¦
Stop waiting and go do some research of your own.
Yea honestly thought it was pretty common knowledge for anyone thatās been in the space for more than a year or two.
I donāt consider what coinkite did to trezor to be comparable to what foundation did
Coinkite created a different device with a secure element which trezor than adopted years later after throwing shade on secure elementsā¦
Foundation created a near identical device as the cold card
A second a go you didnāt even know they used trezor code now you claim itās not comparable because they added a secure element? So in the last 5 minutes you became an expert in what changes made it ok for coinkite and not ok for foundation?
Interesting take
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Sucks I have to switch clients to see all the replies
Apologies for the delayed response.
I never claimed that coinkite didnāt leverage trezor code. I claimed I never heard that coinkite did the same thing to trezor as what foundation did to coinkite and I still stand by that statement after all these exchangesā¦
Look, you don't have to believe me.
Either way you're supporting a paradigm of government enforced licenses with respect to Bitcoin self custody.
Go cuck to the state with daddy NVK, each person chooses their path.
Iām honestly trying to understand your position here and learn
The Twitter screenshot didnāt do it for me and I explained my logic
I donāt give a shit about licenses and governments.
I support coinkite because they make quality products and I consider them good actors in the space
Meanwhile this exchange started with you endorsing āopen sourceā companies like trezor and foundation which I consider bad actors
Go use licensed products,
I will not.
I personally will not use products from a company that:
- Actively tries to harm the ecosystem
- Spreads misinformation about their competitors
- Has fake discounts on their website that last forever and huge markups
- Offers products intentionally designed to turn into e-waste
They used a lot of Trezor code for cryptography etc. 
oh yeah that was it
the c/p the repos and then went back and changed the names so they weren't identical...
just kinda sleazy
Itās comical that you guys throw at coinkite for this but then endorse a company like foundation
I mean itās fine being an open source maximalist that do not believe in people building businesses with licensing protections but donāt endorse some shady ripoff like foundation because they are āopen sourceā
Foundation isnt "open source"
theyre Open Source.
whereas CK and nvk like to grift as if they were Open Source
but they're "open source"
its dishonest and reprehensible.
and bitcoiners should insist on a completely Foss hww if its going to considered a flagship standard product.
Again comical to me that you will endorse a company like foundation for being Open Source while ignoring how they got their start and partnerships with shitcoiners
Fun thread to engage with today. Appreciate everyoneās thoughts and opinions
but NVK copies Trezor code and makes a product
and when other people do the same to him,
he changes the license and starts calling them commies š¤”
tell me you dont understand open source software without telling me...
Rules for thee
Not for me
I see it differently and also know I have biases being a loyal coinkite customer. I think you guys need to check your biases especially as they pertain to foundation. I would have less to say if you guys didnāt endorse those shitheads
Nvk leveraged trezors open source software and built a better device with a secure element (trezor refused to add a secure element then attacked the concept until they folded and integrated into their devices)
Foundation ripped off coinkiteās open source code to create an almost identical ripoff which is why coinkite switched licenses
May not be an open source expert like you guys but I think I have a good understanding of the facts here
Itās not an endorsement, use whoever the fuck you want but calling foundations an identical rip off while in the same breathe praising Coldcard when they did they same is lame. If itās shitty for foundations to do its shitty for Coldcard to do. If itās not shitty for Coldcard to do then itās not shitty for foundations. I have no allegiance to foundations the example is purely because they used the code from Coldcard the same way as Coldcard did to Trezor that fact you canāt see that is concerning.
I feel like Iām the twilight zone now
How are you not understanding why I feel differently about what the two companies did?
Coinkite added a secure element and allowed Airgapped functionality with PSBT support. Massive improvements over trezors offerings at the time
Did foundation improve anything?
I feel differently because I think coinkite leveraged open source code as it was intended and improved upon the original code. I havenāt seen any evidence that foundation did anything to improve the coinkite code they stole
A Passport is significantly higher quality than a Coldcard.
Literally the entire point of open source is that people can use your code.
Is System76 shit for using Ubuntu to make Pop!OS? It was intended to be copied.
if I recall correctly they c/p the repos and didnt even change the names.
which is not to say that both CK and Foundation didnt do a lot of work,
they totally did.
this is how FOSS works and its why it makes it a robust model.
nvk doesn't understand that or doesn't care or whatever.
He understands,
Money hungry that is all.
Mental gymnastics are pretty incredible here
It is now bad to build a business that makes money?
Nvk leveraged trezor open source code to build a better product with a secure element.
Coldcard was open source until some shitty company you guys continue to endorse decided they would ripoff open source code to build an almost identical product with no real improvements
No one said that,
He built his entire market share and word of mouth sales from the Open Source community.
He's a money hungry tyrant manlet who wasn't loved enough as a child.
Would respect your criticism a lot more if you had the same things to say about foundation
Pretty telling you endorse them but trash coinkite
I ENDORSE ALL OPEN SOURCE HWWS.
WHAT DONT YOU UNDERSTAND?!
MY OFFICIAL ENDORSEMENT ONLY GOES TO SEEDSIGNER BECAUSE ITS THE ONLY DEVICE THAT ISNT PACKAGED BEFOREHAND BY HUMANS TO USE WITH YOUR BITCOINS.
GFY ššš«
Are the raspberry piās you run the seedsigner software on open source?
OMG you really are a dumbcunt wow.
*TAKES THE CONVERSATION ANYWHERE TO SOOTH EGO*
How's your secure element? Not open source buddy lmfao.
Are you saying coldcard canāt be trusted?
I'm saying we don't want to live in a world where government licenses are wielded against Bitcoin companies & individuals.
https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2018/09/10/tragedy-of-the-commons-clause/
QR signing wasnt an innovation on top of Coldcard????
Are you this much of a dumbcunt?!
He also stated QR signing was insecure, lied about it, and then made his own QR signing device.
QR signing was invented by Specter, then actually implemented by SeedSigner then used by Foundation with an SE.
Btw NVK then had to admit QR signing was as secure as using a new SD card for every transaction using the coldcard.
He then added NFC !!!! Lmao the most insecure method in the world!!!!!
I like Bitaxeās model. Bitaxe (Skot) receives opensats grant, they publish the Bitaxe schematic, you can manufacture Bitaxes, then you can kick back Skot what you like.
Lots of Bitcoiners have enough resources to just let everyone in the community work together and benefit. This enables us to scale super fast with passionate people. I donāt like the whole, I-made-it-I-control-everything-about-it-and-every-iteration-that-comes-from-it, mentality.
Imagine some dude who slid 12 text-punched washers onto a stainless steel bolt started to try and license everyone making fireproof tubes with imprinted seed phrases.
Exactly,
NVK is super wealthy already - just a money hungry manlet.
I agree FOSS benefits the entire ecosystem since people can build and iterate off each otherās collective work.
The point I was making is that someone was calling Foundations unethical for using Coinkite code when it was FOSS before they changed it to source viewable. But Coinkite literally used Trezor code. So if you think Foundations is unethical then by default you would have to think Coinkite is unethical too since they did the same to Trezor.
Shouldnāt be any double standards.
