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What prevents the same authorities to as the same to big relays? (Apart from current lack of knowledge)

In most cases you could probably just tell them to screw off - unless you're registering a local business entity and accepting payments or selling ads, the worst they could do is try to add your domain to the great firewall of Britain since they have no jurisdiction over a server in another country (AFAIK).

One of my sites just says "GDPR compliance: lol" (even though I'm technically in compliance with the GDPR since I don't collect any data). As long as you and your servers aren't in reach of the UK or whatever other region is trying to enforce laws I think it's safe from any needs for compliance.

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O Expedicionário 5mo ago 💬 1

Indeed! But I was thinking more in this expanding culture of control among earth's govs. I just think there is a false sense of superiority or security at Nostr because of the fact of its permissionless open nature (which is great), but the weight would be on big relay operators, and as i often point, there's no need for total censorship to have a person muted in practice, or to make it become a pariah (abandon an nsec and create a different identity) in order to be able to express something.

Valentino Giudice 5mo ago 💬 2

It's only permissionless when it comes to companies. Governments can deny you permissions to do things by shooting you dead if they so decide.

I agree the sense of superiority is partially false, when it come to resistance towards governments. But, again, taking power away from the hands of companies is already a worthwhile goal.

Valentino Giudice 5mo ago

No protocol can solve this because if a government makes saying something illegal, one would have to never attach that statement with one's name if one is in that government's jurisdiction.

But attaching one's name to a statement, in public, is part of one's fundamental human right to freedom of speech, so the issue can't truly be solved through any technical solution.

O Expedicionário 5mo ago

Could not agree more! 🤝

Valentino Giudice 5mo ago 💬 1

Ok, but what if the server is in the UK, where they do have jurisdiction, or other countries go crazy?

The UK isn't the only place where privacy and freedom of speech are under attack in the west. The whole of the west is.

As for the GDPR, it's a piece of legislation the EU mostly got right. It's not bad, for the most part it protects people when they bother to enforce it. The issue is that they didn't follow it by being consistent and continuing to strengthen the right to privacy, instead limiting it and attacking it.

Nate 5mo ago

Oh yeah no if it's in the UK or other countries with similar laws they're screwed like anything else. I just meant in the case of something like Bluesky which is American based and forced to comply with UK laws since they're (presumably) doing business there. I know the GDPR isn't comparable to this, I just get annoyed by cookie banners lol.