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Nothing wrong with using fountaint and wavlake. Im a big fan and supporter of them both. Just like I generally have nothing against primal and doubt they have evil intentions.

But right now, everyone is exclusively using wavlake and just now starting to pick up on Fountain and we should promote broad usage. Its not decentralized if we are only using one or two apps. Nostriches should be screaming the war cry and flying the flag, not being dragged along like toddlers.

Its like if nostr acted as if primal and zbd was the whole ecosystem and refused to try any new apps or even acknowledge there is anything else.

NGL, hearing nostritches talk about music in this space often sounds cringe-ily like normies from TikTok finding primal for the first time. There are people screaming and teaching from the rooftops on nostr but most are staying willingly ignorant.

Let me be very clear. Im a big supporter of wavlake and fountain and use them regularly. But there are other apps, with nostr integration no less, that we should be using and promoting.

Also wavlake contains only 1/3 of the decentralized music library that exists. So theres that too.

Nostriches exclusively using wavlake are severely missing out and that's not a dig on wavlake, just me feeling sad for ignorant nostriches. Again, because it seems everytime I say wavlake, nostriches tend to get defensive... I've spoken with Sam directly IRL and I understand why things are the way they are on wavlake. I dont blame him.

***And the kicker here is he literally said to me, HE wants there to be more apps in this ecosystem that doesnt do the walled garden thing he was forced to do.***

He said that its too difficult to entirely dismantle and rebuild wavlake to accommodate and hopes other people can come in to fill the void and continue innovating.

Derek Ross 3mo ago 💬 3

I guess I'm not helping with https://ZapTrax.app using the Wavlake API 🤓 but I do plan on adding RSS music eventually once I can figure that out.

What music apps are you talking about and referring to? What should I check out?

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BITwise 🐳 >>= RIGHTish 3mo ago 💬 1

My favorites are:

Lnbeats.com

Podcastguru

Podverse

Truefans

Curiocaster

Also nostr:nprofile1qqs00y32ptdnlfxa5hhv4f30dalwv9vl0a27pqpkdpkx3cyrstp50zqpg3mhxue69uhnwumjwgmkx6revvm8vmrg0fcxxvngdsmxc7t4denhvmr4da585undwsmnv6mzwv6xkmtev358y7r0v94kkcn3w4skgtnvda3kzmqpzemhxue69uhkx6rpv3nzumn0wd68yvfwvdhk6qghwaehxw309anxjmr5v4ezumn0wd68ytnhd9hx27prlx2 is vibe coding some stuff. Im told nostr:nprofile1qqspdj6t8rlf5aytvcy0dfvkjyue9h79pyr9ynyrz8xnvz7yqg32h9qpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj76xfn5g is working on things in the background too.

BITwise 🐳 >>= RIGHTish 3mo ago

I'd say this is a half step forward which I certainly cant hate on. Ship something, anything. But we ahld always strive for excellence when it makes sense to do so 💪🏽

ChadF and 33 others 3mo ago

Derek this is what I'm talking about and we need more of this.

We have an open library of music filled with artist that want to try something different so let's build them the tools they want!!

I've never used the Wavlake API since that stuff is in the index also. What info does it give you?

but the Wavlake library is only a small piece of the music catalog which I thing is nostr:npub13cnlldwfhwxd6qf34hnwlfya2m2qrd2zfk0alxnrup6d2fasw9wqxwkzpe point.

BITwise 🐳 >>= RIGHTish 3mo ago

To get you started on RSS... its easy to understand. All it is, is a text container with metadata referencing the hosted source of various assets (like the song or album art) and the various attributes of the feed (is it a song or podcast? What's the album title, who should splits go to, etc)

Its just a glorified public database relay of sorts

Eric P 3mo ago 💬 1

I'm happy to help. There's a bunch of us here that understand the RSS spec. nostr:npub177fz5zkm87jdmf0we2nz7mm7uc2e7l64uzqrv6rvdrsg8qkrg7yqx0aaq7

nostr:npub1yvgrrzf4dnmu30qfhw95x87ruu0g2kpv3a64h8hpvqsre8qeuspsgd6pv9 nostr:npub19ha7tju4teqp3dmwv4p28wrcy9zd6h6hxkg5mwvjrlfycweazpkse2q0fa nostr:npub1yvscx9vrmpcmwcmydrm8lauqdpngum4ne8xmkgc2d4rcaxrx7tkswdwzdu to name a few.

Derek Ross 3mo ago 💬 1

appreciate it. ill reach out if i have issues.

StevenB 3mo ago 💬 10

If you're focus is nostr, and I know that's where your heart is, the Wavlake api may be a better choice for you because of the way they handle the value block. Because nostr doesn't do splits very well, non-Wavlake feeds may be problematic for you.

However, if you're interested in other non-Wavlake music, the Podcast Index also has an API that lets you fetch all of the music feeds, but the value blocks are considerably more difficult to do using nostr based wallets.

Hopefully, nostr figures out an elegant way to handle splits, because it is really cool being able to have multiple people paid from the listener.

Derek Ross 3mo ago 💬 2

nostr supports splits on events, but profiles only use the lightning address on the profile.

so i have podcastindex.org's API now working on my local dev environment of zaptrax. it works and i can play music just fine. the issue is now supporting keysend. that is not widely supported. i guess the issue is also wavlake music just does a keysend to their node instead of doing the split with the artist sand them?

i need to figure out how to handle all of this elegantly in a user interface so it doesn't look jumbled or confusing.

StevenB 3mo ago 💬 1

Yeah, Wavlake handled splits on their server instead of your wallet sending multiple payments. It works, and given some of the limitations, it makes sense.

Derek Ross 3mo ago

but it works :)

StevenB 3mo ago 💬 1

And good luck. The UI/UX of multiple splits is a tough problem to handle elegantly. I'm not sure there's clean way of doing it yet, but we'll get there.

Derek Ross 3mo ago

yeah, it's ugly. i need to find an elegant solution. once i do ill publish it to prod.

Sir Libre 3mo ago

Me too 🙂