Monero people are generally very straightforward about the tradeoffs.

The only reasonable criticism there is, is one you said, there just isn't that much energy securing XMR.

Tradeoffs.

That doesn't make it "centralized" however. That's just your random fud.

Monero is not centralized and it's a perfectly reasonable alternative to BTC and *certainly* better than the current state of LN .

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Everything has tradeoffs. Monero is just a tool, there is no need to identify with a tool.

Many Bitcoiners made a religion out of it, which makes them vulnerable to not seeing the obvious flaws of BTC, repeating the same bullshit lines their religious leaders give them.

Laser eyes, hodlhodl, never sell - it is all bullshit for low iq suckers.

If you are in it for the freedom, then one should realize that BTC is not fungible and not useful as freedom money at all as it is traceable by anyone on the planet - which is worse than a bank wire.

Please point out where I instigated fud by stating it is "centralized".