this is indeed the problem.

afaict there is no good way for an end user to measure the anonset of these tools.

(assuming you trust the maker or coordinator in the 1st place)

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Another reason why non kyc on 2nd and 3rd chains just seems superior. Fuck kyc.

it depends doesn't it

like we're in a situation now of trying to measure LN privacy

and because its not a homogeneous thing it ain't easy.

like prove to me your routing node isnt spying on you?

for ecash, ok we can know for sure.

but custodian trade-off πŸ˜•

its not an easy fix

What about liquid?

A little more nuance for how to protect yourself, but it's a good option too. Amounts are completely hidden but UTXO chains aren't.

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tbf they are 1min blocks

but how exactly does a barely used chain provide good privacy?

You guys probably know more than I do. But I just like that you’re transacting without using the main chain.

Always numerous options, liquid is good especially if you purchase directly onto liquid. Then there is also hodlhodl and robosats to avoid KYC altogether.

Robosats is awesome

Liquid is a ghost town and cant provide strong privacy.

Robosats is great. Liquid seems okay if you are using non kyc.

but what's gained by moving through liquid?