Yep, and the State promotes it. Wrong but that is what is happening. I wouldn’t advise giving up your weapons until the State no longer dictates the rules but actually is a public ‘servant’ and obeys the rules
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So it's the state shooting children in schools?
You've got the gun. What are you going to do about it?
Having a gun is no answer. It's part of the problem. The other is the wrong people being able to get them too easily.
This is going nowhere. We differ . The State actively promotes division and atrocity. That isn’t changing anytime soon. I’d keep your weapon personally . End of
I genuinely hope that your values around gun control lead to the better social outcomes that I'm sure that we both hope for. I just don't agree with you.
I do value the honest engagement, and hope for the best outcomes for us all.
Thank you. I enjoyed that.
All the best, and yes we do both wish for a positive outcome. 🤝
>So it's the state shooting children in schools
Likely, yes. Pretty much all terrorism is planned and executed by state sponsored actors.
Are you living under the rock or something? The majority of events, tagged as terrorism, are always supported by some state. Not excluding the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_state-sponsored_terrorism
The United States has at various times in recent history provided support to terrorist and paramilitary organizations around the world. It has also provided assistance to numerous authoritarian regimes that have used state terrorism as a tool of repression...
There's a world of difference between your society - the state that you democratically form, and whose values you defend, and someone elses state.
How is enabling gunmen from our society to shoot our children, protecting us all from the actions of an external state?
It seems to me that is a conflation of different, and unrelated, issues in order to justifying an action that lacks a logical defence.
Criminality is criminality. A strong united society can stand better against it, than one riven by division and fear, and fighting amongst itself.
You asked for evidence, I gave you the evidence. Evidence of your own government killing their own people. The same people you want to take the guns from.
Stop moving the goalposts and look at the issue from a different perspective.
@note1h9r4qtuhe5g78jg6kdcm0w005snmve3jg7hll6lg2jxdhcdqrhaql8dfxn The wrong people will always be able to get them too easily.
Of course. Bad people will always find ways to do bad things.
The only question is does society make things easy for them, or hard. Do we set values and standards, and introduce a jeopardy in contravening them. Or just leave it to the individual.
My view is that freedom confers a responsibility on the individual, If we value the benefits of membership of society and the safety, prosperity and opportunity, that it confers on us, we must protect it.
We protect it by agreeing collectively the values of our society, by gathering together and saying that adhering to those standards is the cost of membership, and holding the people and our appointed representatives equally democratically accountable for those values and behaviors.
If you don't believe in that you are antidemocratic, and antisocial, by definition.