Sounds rather intense!

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It’s actually the opposite. Just imagine an effort on a bike or on a hilly hike you’d want to do for a long time. If you’re a runner it would be a pace that’s a bit of a challenge but one where you should be able to have conversation in short sentences. But you’ll definitely be sweating.

It’s the opposite of “no pain, no gain.”

Okay, so more endurance training sounds like. Kinda lost me at hilly hike 😂

Yes - endurance/aerobic training.

And and simple way to do this is to just walk on a treadmill and slowly out it on an incline until you get to this effort.

It snowed last night and there will be lots of people at the gym doing that today to get in this workout.