Nostr Web Client

Moss 2y ago 💬 45

We should face up to the issues of input, output, and profitability of the sustainable development of Nostr ecology. We cannot bury our heads in the sand like an ostrich, but our bodies enjoy the free sea breeze and climate of the beach.

Every time #[0] continues to pour money into developing clients and servers, potentially leading to bankruptcy, everyone who uses Damus, will be mortified and will do their best to zap ⚡️ his great work. However, as the amount of data increases and the cost of running the relay server and client development become more and more complex, purely relying on personal selfless dedication and asymmetric zap⚡️ cannot last for a long time.

The sustainable business model and capital operation method that I can see now, I hope everyone can add and discuss

1. Client developers and relay operators charge users monthly or annual membership fees, and the payment method is paid in the user's national currency instead of sats. Because most ordinary people who use Nostr do not own Bitcoin. And Bitcoiners who own bitcoins cherish their bitcoins as treasures, and will not tip large amounts at will. It is much more convenient to pay in local currency, just like many foreign websites support China's Alipay.

2. We all believe that Nostr has the same philosophy as Bitcoin, which is free from censorship, freedom, and belongs to everyone's own thoughts and wealth. But Nostr lacks a benign mining and reward mechanism, and the pure self-investment of relay and developers is unsustainable. Is it also necessary to introduce a reward mechanism similar to Bitcoin? Issue Nostrcoin?

3. After establishing a company and accepting investment from traditional VCs, the next step is to consider the business model and profitability. In this regard, as long as people like the client on Nostr, as the number of users increases, the profitable business model can be explored.

4. Client developers and relay issue tokens based on Ethereum to raise funds for development and operation, which is equivalent to issuing securities on a cryptocurrency exchange. This mode of operation based on blockchain fundraising allows many developers to continue to develop and improve their financial situation.

Here I would like to kindly remind everyone that the blockchain technology and tokens are more tolerant in the use of Nostr. We need more people to join Nostr. You can disagree with their views, but respect them in using Nostr.

#Nostr #Damus #[3] #[4]

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signal_and_rage 2y ago

I’m honestly surprised there’s not more shitcoins here.

Issuing securities will bring unwanted attention.

Yes, there will be no shitcoins here, because most of them need hype and transactions, and this is a place for people who yearn for freedom to share their lives

Leo Wandersleb 2y ago

We are in a Cambrian explosion of clients and relays. Will is the most prominent of many client developers and he most certainly knows what he's doing. Jack is throwing money at products. Even my client implementation that laid dormant for half a year is getting revived. It's ok to ask for more donations but Will is not the only savior here.

1. As there are so many clients and so little lock-in to one client or the other, there is hardly a case for a subscription model for clients. Supplementary features maybe. nip05, badges, fast relay access, ... but not clients. Sadly. My client has the same problem.

2. In Bitcoin, only mining is a natural business model. Still there are thousands of Bitcoin wallets many of which with no obvious business model. And tons of open source, financed via grants and donations or simply maintained by professionals in the free time.

3. VCs ...?

4. 🤮

Moss 2y ago 💬 2

I can't agree more. Nostr is growing and I think subscription app+zaps⚡️ is the way to go now. Venture capital is another avenue to try

What client are you building? Looking forward to your client being restored again.

bitcoinjiujitsu 2y ago 💬 2

4. Issue the tokens on the Liquid Network, #[3], keep Nostr #Bitcoin only

Of course, Keep Nostr Bitcoin only. Just exploring ways to help the development and relay ops get funded.

bitcoinjiujitsu 2y ago

Good, grok that token issuance happens on #Bitcoin now, no shitcoin chain or block space spam needed.

https://liquid.net/

Did you build this? Like Ethereum on top of bitcoin

bitcoinjiujitsu 2y ago

No brother I did not build this 🌊

This is the Liquid Network developed by #[4]

Fully open source it’s a #Bitcoin sidechain designed for digital assets the native currency and what you pay fees in is L-BTC.

https://youtu.be/X_Kl3qM1GAo

For the record, if anyone is keeping one, I’m not against vc funding or subscriptions. I think both have a place in nostr depending on use case.

Hope there are more ways to help build #Nostr, as long as Nostr is strong, no force can destroy it.

I think zap splits will play a big role in some industries like music and adult

Yes, zap ⚡️ is easy enough to use, but the news impact has not yet spread to other industries. Like the early days of Bitcoin, it took a while to develop and spread. This is probably one of the reasons why jack holds Nostr meetings all over the world.

gsovereignty 2y ago

This is why I'm working on https://github.com/nostrocket

did you build this

gsovereignty 2y ago

WIP and other people have started working on it too now, but yeah.

TLDR; ?

I read through the website one time but didn’t understand it.

gsovereignty 2y ago

Just wait a couple of weeks and see it in action.

Sounds good 👍

gsovereignty 2y ago

Actually you could also listen to

https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/nostrovia/episodes/HACKATHON-e202tov

and

https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/nostrovia/episodes/The-McShane-Episode-e22386m

Ty

最近越来越多的朋友私信对nostrocket有疑问，或者曾在不同场合表示，看不懂（笑～）欢迎听一下以上两个播客的开头部分。第一个播客G有简要介绍nostrocket解决的问题和愿景。第二个播客则是目前最近期的nostrocket的进展。我想这件事需要一定的时间来理解，但是是值得的。很多人认为只有融资才能进一步发展。也许开源不需要融资也可以有健康的盈利模式。毕竟资本寻求增值，必然会拿走剩余价值。

#[10] 我们可以在这里讨论！

Moss 2y ago 💬 6

可以把大概的介绍，记录在这里吗

晚上吧我找下当时有做script

機器翻譯+chatgpt提取说话人正在开发一个名为 Nosterocket 的新项目，旨在解决开源项目中贡献者倦怠的问题，并希望为开源项目的贡献者提供报酬。开源项目中的一个主要问题是贡献者倦怠，通常会在一年后和三年前免费为项目工作的情况下发生。Nosterocket 的目标是允许任何人使用 Noster 和比特币构建一个类似于公司结构的 microDAO，以更有效地组织共享项目。项目创建者的第一步是定义问题，然后细化为使命宣言，这是对一群人的价值观的陈述理由。一个成功的项目必须为真实的人解决一个真实的问题，使命宣言是这群人的陈述理由存在。构建一个最小可行解决方案的原因是为了测试假设人们实际上希望解决这个问题，并且他们会使用解决问题的方法。一旦存在最小解决方案并且问题声明已被证明有价值，就可以真正开始推动项目向前发展。

下面是我自己的補充，每個人的貢獻都用sats來計算。sats由社區投票獲得批准，具有投票權的人是之前做過貢獻並得到過被批准的sats的人。得到批准后，貢獻者有兩個選擇1. 立刻折現 2. 繼續持有。如果選擇繼續持有，在未來該項目獲得經濟收益的時候可以得到利益分配，如果立刻折現，則之前在funding list 的人將會按照加入funding list 的順序，選擇要購買開發者手中的share或者放棄

expect something different 🤙

VOLKER - Voice Of Logic Knowledge Experience & Responsibility 2y ago

Hard no to this shitcoinery from me. Finding a viable business model is the hardest thing in entrepreneurship, and this ain't the solution, sorry.

That's okay, it's just getting started here and it needs more exploration.

paid content. Current platforms take around 30-50% of the income. I think client should charge like 1-3% percentage. And creator will be okay because its still much much more better than before

不是特别清楚你想表达的东西，没看懂

内容付费 client从中抽成。

内容付费现在Nostr上没有开始，从每笔相互的 #zaps⚡️ 中抽成应该可以，昨天的zap总额有16,079,763 sats，如果抽成10%（抽成额度可以再定），就有1,600,000 的sats。能很大部分的负担服务器和开发费用。

现在抖音微信知乎那些要抽30%以上吧

抖音直播礼物抽成在50%

??? …… 我们真的需要把内容付费搬过来了

mutatrum 2y ago

Having a custom backend for a client doesn't make sense. Those capabilities should be delegated to all or at least a subset of other relays.

Fuck. No.

🤙😂

やトナ 2y ago

No offense but nostr coin is a terrible idea, not only because it’s an unneeded shitcoin but because it would be a security (see the LBRY case).

There’s also no need to issue eth based tokens to raise funds. You can start a business and do ordinary fundraising rounds without the need to incorporate predatory VC backed shitcoinery to create revenue streams.

Charging for the client is a solution. A one time $1-$5 payment on the App Store is simple enough (although app stores generally take a large cut)

Ad revenue is another possibility, although most people may be opposed to adverts popping up in their feeds.

Charging for certain features/services is another easy possibility.

Split payments on lightning are maybe a possibility although I’m not knowledgeable on how this would work. (Dev or relay operator gets a percentage of zaps sent on their client or relay?)

Charging for relays already happens but should probably be moved to the subscription model as you suggest.

As for the “local currency” being used for payment, this can clog the system and cause compliance issues depending on what country the receiver is in. Maybe stable coins are a better option, although at that point you might as well just use bitcoin.

I’m just spitballing these ideas. There’s really no good solution right now and dev funding is still an issue for bitcoin devs even 14 years later. I’m confident someone will think of a sound solution, but I don’t think letting tokens that will inevitably fail or be regulated to extinction, infiltrate the ecosystem is helpful in anyway.

I can't agree with you more. It doesn't matter. It's an open and free discussion that needs everyone's wisdom and suggestions. Taking a percentage from each zap⚡️ is the best form of a virtuous circular economy. Donations and payment via appstore subscriptions are good options.

StoneXia@石头 2y ago

#[0]

BITKARROT 2y ago

Nyet shitcoins, don't need the SEC down our necks, thank you.

I support thinking through and experimenting with various business models first before taking VC money.

There's a lot of potential for new business models. We don't have to do it the old skool way. And no pump and dump please

Agreed. Already trying a different path