It's better to just not support kind 20 at all since kind 1 already allows image links and kind 20 offers nothing but fragmentation that damages network effects
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I agree
I dunno, I think there is a place for image-focused clients that aren't just "Find all the kind 1 notes that have an image link in them." Though, admittedly, nostr:npub1klr0dy2ul2dx9llk58czvpx73rprcmrvd5dc7ck8esg8f8es06qs427gxc built a pretty good one with slidestr.net.
Many kind 1 clients also let you share your kind 20 notes easily as a kind 1 quote-post, if you want it to be seen on a "main feed." And when it comes to fragmentation, there is nothing stopping kind 1 clients from adding kind 20 to their main feeds, too. Heck, I just created a custom feed on #Coracle that does just that.
Having a separate kind allows each client to do something different, or decide not to include them at all. I like having the flexibility for Amethyst to do a feed of kind 20 and 22, Freeflow to just do kind 22, Olas to just do kind 20, Jumble to have separate tabs for kind 1 and kind 20, without any kind 22, and Coracle to allow the user to build a feed of whatever kinds they want to see in the same feed. Having clients do different things with the same content is one of Nostr's superpowers, right? It allows users to choose the client that best serves them the content they want to see in the way they want to see it.
Yup!
Yes right. It seems to me as absurd as if kind1 clients had a separate tab for "high quality YouTube links".
The idea of kind 20 is for people to share their own photographs and artwork. Something more than just sharing a screenshot, meme, or other image content that is often shared in kind 1 note, which would all get lumped into the same feed if it is just looking for kind 1 notes with image links.
Same thing as having a separate video kind. It is intended for posting original videos, with a title and description, as seen on flare.pub. Not just for every youtube or mp4 link someone might share in a kind 1 note.
Having separate kinds for such content allows each client to decide whether they want to have that content included in a single feed along with kind 1 notes, separate it out into a separate feed, let users decide what kinds they want in their feed, or not support certain kinds in their client at all.
I feel like hashtags could be a better solution
Perhaps, and I think that is what nostr:npub1klr0dy2ul2dx9llk58czvpx73rprcmrvd5dc7ck8esg8f8es06qs427gxc is using for categorizing images on slidestr. Correct me if I am wrong, nostr:npub1klr0dy2ul2dx9llk58czvpx73rprcmrvd5dc7ck8esg8f8es06qs427gxc.
But that's not a solution for reducing all content types down into kind 1. Images with separate hashtags for memes vs photography and art? Yeah, that's probably fine and something users will do naturally, and no one really wants to have all images taken out of kind 1 feeds.
Long-form, though? Probably should stay a separate kind. Same with TikTok style short videos. If I want to scroll though that content, I would rather do so in a separate feed than have it in my main feed, and I doubt I am alone in that. The same would be true for many other specialized kinds. Indeed, I would prefer that zap.cooking used a separate note kind instead of shoe-horning long-form into a recipe format, for instance. Now if I write a recipe, it will show up on habla.news as though it is an article or blog that I wrote... Separate kinds are helpful for classifying the types of content that should show up together, and then the client dev can decide if they want to have other types of content also show up in the same feed.
I do think it's great how we have simple uniform kind 1 posts and then a separate long form spec with more π―πΈπ»πΆπͺπ½π½π²π·π° πΈπΉπ½π²πΈπ·πΌ π€
Yes. Minimal formatting should be expected in kind 1. I almost wish it had a character limit, too. Way too many people effectively writing articles in kind 1...
Speaking of which, do you have any plans to truncate long kind 1 posts, and add a "show more" button in Jumble nostr:npub1syjmjy0dp62dhccq3g97fr87tngvpvzey08llyt6ul58m2zqpzps9wf6wl?
Already supported π
When? Recent update? I could have sworn I was just having to scroll through a repost of isolabellart's whole gallery just a couple days ago and wishing there had been a truncated version...
On a related note, I feel like the Olas trend has come and gone here in nostr. Olas hasn't been working for ages, but relatively few people seem all that fussed about it.
I can definitely see that being the case, too. I think part of the reason people aren't too fussed about it, though, is that other clients have now integrated kind 20, and also it's kind of par for the course with Pablo. He creates a lot of things that are decent ideas, half finishes them, leaves a number of things broken, and just moves on to something new...
Highlighter sort of boggles me, since that's a .com. Like literally the domain highlighter.com is worth hundreds of thousands of dollarsβhow do you acquire that premium of a domain name and then leave it to grow fallow?