Have you ever looked at your crotch? Ever notice the hair in that area which doesn’t serve a purpose? What about the fact that humans have appendixes which are commonly found in herbivores. Appendicitis would lead to countless deaths without modern surgery. And people that get them removed don’t lose anything. That organ is unnecessary and no one even really knows what it’s for in humans. In other animals, it helps with digesting plant foods. This makes sense from an evolutionary perspective because our ape ancestors needed it. That’s a transitory organ. Have you ever noticed humans have tail bones? That’s also transitory. It serves no purpose. These don’t seem intentionally designed.
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I'm not one of those retarded religious people who don't think evolution is real or think the earth is flat or space is fake. All that shit is the real psyop, and it's mostly directed at you, rather than the religious people.
Also recent findings show the appendix serves a function in regulating the good bacteria in the gut, and people with it removed statistically have shorter lifespans. So don't eat junk food or abuse antibiotics!
I’ve heard something similar but the appendix doesn’t seem to serve that function in other animals. It seems to be necessary for breaking down plant foods.
But your initial point is that these animals seem to be intentionally designed. How can you believe in both?
Both science and intentional design? Someone or something knew enough science to intentionally design them.
Right but if we evolve based on survival of the fittest, certain traits will not make sense. Like I said about the tail bone. That’s not an intentional design. That’s a vestigial body part. Why design us with tails that we’ll inevitable lose when we could’ve just been designed without them at all? Seems like a waste of energy.
Why is that directed at me? I don’t believe those things
They, whoever they are, want you to believe religious people believe those things. And certainly some do, but that's because they fell for it too. The real prize for that 'they' is people believing the religion is irrational. And it is... Just, it wasn't in that way before the conspiracy to subvert it.
Majority of religious people do believe those things. And religion explicitly conflicts with evolutionary theory. The creation of Adam and Eve in Genesis proves that.
How is the prize for people to believe religion is irrational when you already said religion is irrational? Why is that a good thing for them?
The bible itself also tells people not to believe it literally. Its somewhere in 2 Corinthians, iirc.
The Adam and Eve story isn't about our physical creation. Its a formulaic and symbolic description of our consciousness entering this body and reading starts the process of completing the work that we're meant to do.
Yes, most people believe wrong stuff. I'm still putting pieces together.
If you’re not supposed to believe the Bible literally then it shouldn’t be used at all imo. If you leave things open to interpretation, you literally create the circumstances for the incorrect beliefs that followers of that religion hold today. Because there most definitely are wrong interpretations and the majority of religious people are sheep that can’t think for themselves. That’s a very fragile system that is vulnerable to initiating horrible atrocities and suffering. And we literally see that in the world today. People killing each other over varying interpretations. Even within the same religion. Christians killing each other because they’re not catholic or whatever.
For example, let’s say a new sect of Christianity formed today based on someone’s new interpretation. And let’s say this new sect believes that it is essential to stop evil wherever it is seen. By any means. Well now you have a sect whose interpretation is that murdering all non believers is essential. Is that wrong? Of course. But you can’t tell them it’s wrong if the Bible isn’t supposed to be interpreted literally. And if the truth is that you’re supposed to be peaceful and not fight back (turn the other cheek and what not), then the sect will kill off everyone without any push back just because they disagree with their interprets. And this will go on until all that’s left is the believers of this new sect. And that’s how you end up in a world where everyone follows a religion with insane and nonsensical beliefs. An extreme example but it illustrates my point well.
That's correct. And even worse, even if the whole world was forced into a single belief system, they would continue murdering over beliefs because religion selects via purity tests, which shift goal posts to ever more extreme positions.
Its not up for interpretation because it was written with an original intent. We fail to interpret it correctly because we're not the original writers. Its fairly obvious that symbolism is used quite heavily. Understanding the symbols is not interpretation - its just understanding. Literalism is the interpretation.
So why would god expect us to understand a message that isn't literal (when it easily could be simplified and made literal by god)?
Huh?? Now you're saying it should be interpreted literally?
An omniscient god who wrote out his own book for us to explain who he is and what he wants from us.
Clearly a monster in his own PR material. Or within a rounding error 0% of people understood the book.
There is no path through a basic observation of the world around us and the bible where omniscience and goodness both hold up.
Maybe god is a troll who finds it entertaining to watch humans suffer lol
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If satan does exist and had a religion, I don't think it would look like what people imagine a satanic religion looking like.
Agreed.
Or just see that the Christianity of Christ is nothing like what passes for Christianity now.
Christians may dislike you for being irreverent, but they **_hate_** me because I don't sell my soul, and they do. Crusades and inquisitions don't target atheists - they target Christians who don't conform.
But there is no evidence to believe what you are saying
Which part?
This version of christianity you believe in
There are several versions which I take seriously, without giving belief. My beliefs are simple. Jesus was/is the Christ, and the hope of salvation for individuals and the world, and the method of achieving salvation is humility and love, which are really the same thing anyways.
Every other detail that Christians have tacked onto it is suspect and speculative. That's why you can't just take the meaning at face value. Symbolic language is used - find the meaning of the symbols, or you can't understand it. That's just logical. Logic is logos.
I agree with that but in this case I was attacking the bible not the religion as it stands. I do make that distinction.
No I'm saying there's no interpretation if you speak the language, and that language is symbology - there'd still be the linguistic interpretation, but that's not what we're talking about.
God speaks through what is. The Bible is humans speaking, but with the intent of conveying what they learned from or about God. Its not literally God's word - God's word is reality itself.
With respect: crotch hair probably doesn’t seem to serve a purpose only because of clothing; interestingly clothing is both highly tied to Genesis and, if you believe Wyn Hoff, possibly not healthy?
Appendicitis is such a common childhood (pre reproduction) emergency that evolutionists struggle with how the organ could persist (modern surgery being a blip). Some think the organ persists as a deposit and repository for bacteria to reconstitute the microbiome (>90% of which is unculturable and cannot exist outside the human gut) in the event of a challenge. That’s a cool theory. I believe it.
The truth is probably something even more strange, even deeper, and something I could never guess
But why only have “clothing” in the crotch area? It’s clearly not sufficient to survive without covering up the rest of your body.
I do not know.
It is a good question to me.
I do not even think I have a good idea why.
It seems to be uniquely human. Maybe some other great apes? I’m not really sure about that ape part though.
Why say groin hair? Maybe this is one possible idea. Let’s borrow earlier discussion.
There is confusion surrounding the persistence of the appendix in so much as appendicitis causes death in young reproductive people and should be actively selected against at a superficial level.
Something else that causes a similar number of deaths worldwide at least recently, not off from appendicitis, by more than a factor of 0.5, would be kidney stones
I suspect we don’t know nearly as much about the urinary Microbiome as we do the gut micro biome. At least some people think certain bacteria- Lactobacillus crispatus- may have a role in the urinary micro biome in preventing kidney stones, and in the vaginal micro biome in reproductive health.
Is it possible that groin hair helps create an environment that fosters Lactobacillus crispatus ? Helps create some sort of niche? Facilitates spread? Selects against competitor bacteria? This is almost certainly not right but at least it made me think…
I get kidney stones. Not fun. How do I get this lactobacillus crispatus?
Sorry to read that. Stones cause a lot of suffering.
Cleveland clinic was looking into this.
They may have trials or pre clinical data. I think it’s a fermented food microbe.
But not sure this is ready for prime time as a treatment (kidney stone formation is fascinating. It’s not entirely clear things to me that prevent stones before osteoclast like transformations will work after. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5683182/) .
(Plus it’s in healthy women’s reproductive tract. So comes from mom- like mitochondria, gut microbes, and early immune components).