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You are really tempting me to dig out my leather bound, Jesus text in red NIV Bible, but the point was to look at the dogma not from the perspective of a believer in the dogmatic box, but as a skeptic.

1. In no way are women portrayed in the Bible as equal. New and Old Testament, show me where god invited women to clergy.

2. So if man is free as god is free in his own image we can choose to abolish the influence of satan, or even to subdue the angel of darkness, but wow, that would be heaven on earth wouldn’t it? Joining the Jehovah Witness theology soon? You’ll still have to wait as that doesn’t happen in their book until after Jesus scoops up his cultists, sends those with unforgiven inequities to hell, and remanufactures the earth into heaven.

3. How in the world can the choices of a creation be disappointing to an omnipotent being? This would insinuate that god respects us, but frankly the guy can’t even bring himself to communicate with us directly. This doesn’t answer the question, why would an omnipotent being even allow Lucifer to exist? Even balanced good and evil theologies make no sense, the only higher power I can even start to believe exists from an intellectual standpoint is one that is pure evil. The tortured soul deity is the least plausible of all of them.

4. Ok, Jesus spends 30 years living in the flesh of man, or was it god? Anyway, 30 years and a crucifixion makes god sympathetic to the woes of a creation tortured generation after generation by Lucifer, a being the father allows to persist? Really? What kind of masochist believes that? Mock beat and kill him? Poor baby. I’ll do far worse if I ever get the chance, death won’t even be on the menu. Here, take the good news of the gospel and suffer some more. I, as god could fix all of it in a flash, but nah, Eve and Adam ate the apple so you’re all screwed until I decide it’s time to only torture a few of you, those who didn’t sufficiently kiss my ass, for eternity. No man, if you could choose to not suffer, or as an even more powerful analogy, prevent your children from suffering you would, but this god you believe in as god or Jesus is an asshole through and through. He watches suffering every day, has the power to stop it supposedly, and does nothing.

Thanks for taking the time to respond, I have no desire to disrupt or disturb your faith, but frankly if you step in the ring with me you have to expect a dialogue will ensue. Fair enough?

i tried to read the book of Daniel last night, and i'm supposed to believe this guy has prophetic powers that don't still leave him in the category of "false prophet" due to the clear conniving, tricky and vicious things he also does. And the fact he's supposedly vegan.

I'm now convinced that the angels, and the God - and the Devil and his flock are ancient humans with very far out technology, and one group wanted to gently induct the rest of humanity, and the other group raped and enslaved the rest of the humans.

even as i read Daniel, before the part where he gets Nebuchanezzar killed, it twice mentions "the watchers", which according to my understanding, are those "fallen angels". they even come down in a spaceship from the sky ffs, before 6 chapters.

the jesus story is a mess, also. there is a jewish revolutionary who was trying to liberate palestine from teh Romans. he almost succeeds, but then fails, and the bitchy jews turn on him and demand he be hung up on a cross, and prefer to free a vicious piece of shit murderer.

again, i'm not antisemitic, but the jewish clergy in charge of the modern state of israel seem to be the self same mind as these ones, and this whole story is a fabrication that has mashed up a historical character with someone who seems to have strange high technology powers such as to see someone is in a light coma and wake them up. or to heal paralysis.

teh whole thing is so confusing top to bottom that i'm now convinced that indeed the bad guys are in control but that literally 2000 years ago, these angels showed up, and the leader went down and fired off a whole legendary story line, took out a bunch of the remaining Watchers, and return to the heavens from whence he came. Also, it clearly says in both the bible and the Qur'an that the angel Gabriel (remember, human) artificially inseminated mary, and that all this about "god" being born into the flesh was really about them doing an experiment to interbreed, that the head angel, had a baby with a very special woman, apparently, and apparently that was ok with her husband, and supposedly these two never copulated... but i can very much believe if it's the high tech humans storyline, that this was all aimed at flushing out and eliminating the last of the Watchers.

the watchers, aka annunaki, are the fallen angels, and their leader and his close entourage, including such characters as leviathan and behemoth and others, were all caught and placed inside a kind of prison that prevented them from leaving but it still allowed them to reach out with their telepathy.

these demons are the ones who communicate with their chosen priests, such as Klaus Schwabb and Bill Gates (margaret sanger, the rothschilds, etc etc) and uses his psychic powers, developed with their fancy high tech, to give them information and to orchestrate their action.

this jesus guy, born from a common human woman among the jews, while the romans had conquered palestine, also is coming back, because the cunning plans of Satan, aka Saturn, aka Chronus, and his gang of ghouls stuck in Tartarus remote controlling their chosen representatives, have to be given their final judgement, and everyone who went along with them has to be removed.

after jesus wiped out the watchers, they no longer hand spacecraft running arounds doing miracles and giving their chosen puppets the power to create the ongoing harvest of innocent humans, and ever since then they have been super pissed at jesus, and this is enshrined in the books of modern judaism. the lowly carpenter, half breed of angel and man kicked their arses and he and his dad are coming back to finish the job, and so the whole work, the "great work" as the illuminati named it, probably the freemasons too, another puppet organisation, is all about total enslavement.

now, if we first mention that all this apparent suffering actually can be reversed, and that our great grandpappy up in the sky and his boy haven't been idle the last 12000 years since the titan wars saw this big daddy banished to space (you can find out about this story in the titan wars), and you read revelation 20 something, i think it is in 20, maybe 21, where the angel reproaches john to not worship him, as he is "just like us" and also mentions all the faithful and saintly and good people of the world... again... if you understand that all of these angels and demons are actually humans, with high tech, then a whole lot of things start to make a lot more sense.

i know it all might sound crazy and i'm just working on a hunch garnered over more than 4 decades on this planet, but the idea that all these religions are cargo cults from advanced people fits like a glove and also implies that we are "not alone" in the universe but also, technically, we are under the guardianship of our advanced ancestors who are keeping a diseased population from getting out of the gravity well and finding other primitive people across the galaxy and universe to rape and enslave, it makes a very neat kind of sense and fits perfectly with so many seemingly disparate records.

oh shit, gary busey and stella are in this thread.

well, good, i like it that i offend both christians and atheists and jews with all of this. but i'm out, after this one too.

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Bravo! Bravo! If you stay steady with the narrative and find a few acolytes to spread your gospel you too can have your own religion in a few years! Example, Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. They created the Ladder Day Saints, Mormon church based on the commandments of god coming to the new world on tablets of pure gold. They also promoted other *wholesome* beliefs such as polygamy, child brides, male god status (when you die you get your own harem and planet to populate by yourself), and a 10% of your income resort fee to have a membership card. All this, have you seen the temple in SLC?; by riding the shirt tails of the last successful salvation scheme, the Catholic Church. In all seriousness though, thank you for sharing. It’s an interesting take, and who knows? You just might be right.

Cool sci-fi bro

Seriously, though, while there is some weird stuff in the Bible worth talking about, it's probably best to start a new thread for that particular strand of exegesis.

Or eisigesis, more likely.

Clever. Accusatory, but clever.

Just calling it how it is.

In your obviously humble opinion. 🙄