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History is full of population exchanges between conflicting groups, whether between Arabs and Jews, or Pakistani & Indians.

Israel received the majority of Jews from Arab countries, the rest moved to Europe, and the Arab countries have basically become Judenfrei. Lucky for those jews, they did not end up like the Yazidis. But Muslim countries have the trick of pretending to be different from the minority Muslim groups in their neighboring countries, and leave their brothers behind the other side of the border. Similar to what happened between India and Pakistan, and happens in Bangladesh. Palestinians are Jordanians and Egyptians. They never asked for national-independence until the Arab leaders lost a few wars and decided it would be a good propaganda tool to keep fighting Israel through the Palestinians, while officially making "peace" agreements.

Calling Israel a "project" and suggesting it can be undone, is no different than calling Canada, Australia or the USA "projects". If you aren't willing to fight us we won't leave, so don't waste your time lecturing me.

pseudo~u *likes nostr already* 10mo ago

yes well USA and Australia involved plenty of ethnic cleansing too - but that's generally regarded as "a bad thing" these days

I like to consider the parallels with apartheid south Africa - admittedly a far less extreme racist system than Israel but the only other modern day comparison

because the problem you have - assuming you are a jew in Israel (I deplore having to specify race, but its a racist system so I'm forced) is that you will either have to exterminate or at least forcibly remove essentially all Arabs - or otherwise one day face the reality of modern civilization, that you cannot simply deprive people if human rights. that being the case you will one day end up subject to the democratic will of the people of Palestine as a whole, including Jews and Arabs, as the white south Africans had to after the inevitable fall of apartheid

it's a rising balloon situation - do you go for total elimination, a "final solution" if you like, and make things worse if you ever have to actually share a country with the people you are massacring, or do you quit and trust to their mercy?

thoughts?

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Oren ☂️ 10mo ago 💬 1

First, nearly 18% of Israelis are Arab Muslims, with full citizen rights. In fact they have more rights than the average Jewish citizen who is forced to serve in the military.

Second, half of Israeli Jews are also Arab, because their grandparents came from Arabic-speaking countries (and they consistently vote to the right wing parties because they've experienced Islamic rule and know better, similar to Cubans in the USA).

For the rest of the Muslim Arabs who you call Palestinians, for years I've thought they can truly develop a sense of nationality and given part of the land, could establish a stable nation-state side by side with Israel.

But I don't know what to believe now. Gaza was suppose to be an experiment to give them a (yet another) Judenfrei territory, and instead of building some reasonable political structure they chose to join a fanatic globalist Islamist identity (sponsored by Qatar, which also sponsors much of the academia and politics in the West) and fight us endlessly, against the personal interest of any person in Gaza. So yeah, we need to have the largest tallest widest border with them, which cannot happen in the current geography, and I hope there would be an arrangement where most of them move to other Arab countries and integrate there.

And I no longer want to continue discussing with someone who compares this war to the German Nazis who obsessively hunted innocent Jews all across Europe, from the Netherlands to remote islands of Greece.

pseudo~u *likes nostr already* 10mo ago

It's a shame. I thought when you admitted you regard Palestinians as subhuman, that I'd found an honest Zionist who was owning what they were doing.

So you seem to be claiming that what you're up to is not evil but you have not disputed my point about the similarities between Zionism and Nazism.

You said at one point that if I was not going to fight you I should just let you get on with it (meaning the ethnic clearance I assumed). I of course will do this but I'm not going to also go along with your pretence that it's something different to what it is - pure evil of exactly the kind perpetrated on the jews by the Nazis and many others through history.