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Temu fuckin joggers.

The World of Temu joggers is waiting and hoping for Bitcoiners to fail. And the medium of exchange attack vector is the way to do it.

Wouldn’t it be great for joggers if we have egg on our face from claiming Bitcoin is pristine money but it’s so pristine that we don’t use it ?

“You can’t use it for anything!”

God they love that one. It’s their favorite gotcha. And they’re gonna be right.

They don’t mean store of value.

They don’t understand you are already using it flawlessly as a savings technology.

They mean Temu fucking joggers. They need to see their temu joggers are for sale in Bitcoin.

Until that is happening, the medium of surface area for jogger attack is growing by the minute with each jogger transaction.

As clear as I can possibly be and because it is worth repeating:

This is real. There is a very real threat to the flawless store of value use case and it is the lack of critical mass for the medium of exchange use case.

The joggers are not coming. They are in your houses already. And they are comfortable as fuck.

Temu jogger enthusiasts are 99.9% of the World in this example. And until you’ve seen absolutely zero reaction to jogger faces after SHOWING THEM IN PERSON THAT BEST SHIT YOU OWN IS FROM BITCOINERS, then you will dismiss this very real threat.

The assumption I got wrong on medium of exchange was if I just showed people incredible products purchased in Bitcoin then they’d finally get it.

Terminals accepting stable coins and digital dollars are here. The only thing propping up US Treasuries is Tether. Do you think Temu joggers give a flying fuck about anything else than more Temu joggers? They literally needed their pants to be easier. They were wearing adult pants and then said “ya know what!? I’ve had enough buttoning for a lifetime.”

We must create the flywheels for critical mass here ourselves or joggers are gonna jog on our graves.

We must create the flywheels today. Go buy some shit in sats today. Please. It’s not so scary I promise.

Joggers are gonna be incentivized by stable coins and the US to get more joggers. The businesses that run online or physical terminals in fiat world cannot wait to contribute to shutting up Bitcoiners.

This is how they easily do it.

If you don’t get this then when you lose to the Temu jogger crowd please kindly do not complain to the Bitcoin companies doing the most important work here to win. Don’t complain to those supporting them in sats about their messaging to spend sats.

Do you understand how crazy it is that you might be the source of the flywheel because you bought some fuckin soap in Bitcoin? And that you’re just not doing it?

Not only can you use it but Bitcoin business are making the most incredibly high quality products.

So let’s not be in situation where we have to explain that we could have proven Temu joggers wrong we just didn’t.

That’s not only how they win but how we become punchlines forever.

Buy shit in sats from incredible Bitcoin founders or be ok with the risk to store of value.

Be ok with making the Temu joggers look smart.

Shifting the goal posts: Bitcoin's purpose just shrunk from buying anything to just buying "high quality" stuff. Next step: "Oh well it actually has no purpose at all".

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When your money is worth more into the future, you start to only want to spend it on high quality products.

Yeah nah if my money was worth more in the future I wouldn't spend it at all.

You'd die then...

Ah well only on essential things. Note "essential" not "high quality". Like cheap food or cheap soap.

Nice. It sounds like you don't value your future health very much

Hot dogs instead of steak is still healthy enough and a lot cheaper.

Cheap soap is just fine too.

Enjoy!

I'm not a bitcoin person, but I kind of get the logic there.

If you had two stashes, one of money that was going to be worth more in the future and one of money that was going to be worth less in the future, wouldn't you take from the stash that was going to be worth less to spend on household things?

I guess you could spend the money that was going to be worth less to buy some money that was going to be worth more, and then immediately spend the money that was going to be worth more (before it *is* worth more) on household things—but then isn't that just adding steps and fees?

The way you're putting it makes it sound like holding money that's going to be worth less in the future is the extra step you're taking.

What's the point of doing that?

I think most people's spending money in dollars or euros or whatever isn't enough to be considered a 'holding'. It's spent soon after it's acquired.

You don't think people really save in fiat?

Sure but then it’s, well, savings. My point is I can see why people would be hesitant to spend any Bitcoin they hold on everyday things because they’ll see that Bitcoin as savings (due to the fact that it’s, well, Bitcoin). If they have savings in fiat they won’t be likely to spend that on everyday things either.

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of people spending Bitcoin on everyday things. My view is that Jack is right, it’ll become largely irrelevant if it doesn’t become an everyday currency.

But human psychology being what it is, as long as Bitcoin is seen to have this upside then I can’t see most people who hold it spending more than a token (or performative) amount on everyday things.

Your holdings vs savings distinction isn't valid. Maybe think before you open your mouth.

There's no need to be rude.