You don't need to run a node and hold keys to accept a 13 cent zap, just chill lol

Storing your life savings is a very different context then sending and receiving nanopayments on nostr

I think we should be encouraging the easiest UX for this function, not the "safest"

(is it even safe to run a lightning node if you don't know what you're doing?)

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Dude Fr. Muun wallet and a backup

Nope it is not safe. That's why I struggle with it so much. Channel management, security risks and so on. I look at it like this: Savings are in self custody and On-Chain. Everything other than that is in non custodial lightning wallets.

I’m using my https://t.me/bittipbot telegram lightning wallet to receive zaps, has ~1000 users that can use it custodial for small amounts.

To answer your last question

Ppl will probably lose more sats trying to setup and maintain a lightning node than using a custodian

Yes it's likely folks will incur a cost to reclaim their wealth from the kleptocracy that is banking. So what?

The fact the we, as developers, especially you making lightning specific services, use Alby and npub.cash instead of making our own, should tell you how much easier it is to use a service.

Strike for lightning and sats / Blockstream jade for savings

Well said

100%

I still recommend Wallet of Satoshi. It's best to think of your lightning wallet as your friday night out wallet. It's going to get spent, it may get lost, it might even get rugged under you. But it's just for a night's spending.

Coinos is a good recommendation for those in the usa

Definitely! CoinOS and other cashu options are fantastic for US residents, everyone really!

I also hear that if you want to get technical but not risk your corn... getting a Developer account with ZBD requires no KYC and allows a max of million sats send/receive afaik. Then you can probably link up LNBits on a really cheap VPS or self hosted server even and rock LNaddresses like no one's business.

TBH currently I'm running albyhub with albygo and alby extension, one channel only, seems to actually work and requires not much brain power in comparison to a "real" lightning node operator that actually understands the in's and out's of thunderhub and RTL etc.

This 👇. And I'll even say the quiet part out loud (speed-running my way to being muted by "Nostr influencers"): A custodial Lightning wallet loaded with a few thousand sats isn't a crime against BTC.

Even if you lose all your sats—and chances are, if you pick an established wallet, you won't—I can pretty much guarantee that you'll lose more than a few thousand sats over time trying to manage Lightning channels on such a small scale. Not to mention the cost of buying dedicated hardware plus a UPS, or renting someone else's hardware in the cloud.

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Yep.

I spread my spending Sats across multiple custodial #Lightning and #eCash wallets.

Any meaningful amount of Sats go to L-BTC.

All savings are of course in on-chain #Bitcoin in decent sized utxos.

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