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It’s fascinating, and concerning, the degree to which we base our interpretation of events on preconceived beliefs.

Within a couple of hours, I’ve seen posts about the Trump-Zelenskyy meeting that range from scorn for how Zelenskyy spoke during the discussion, to abhorrence of how Trump treated the man sitting across from him.

These responses often start from the assumptions of “this guy is a scammer” or “that guy a monster” and I’m just processing how deeply engrained some of our (allegedly) free opinions and beliefs are, when they’re ultimately built on a body of information consumed from partisan sources that we trust, often in spite of the fact that nearly every source of news is biased. It’s only human. But it’s also scary.

I think the best we can do is trust our intuition - does it feel right? It’s also helpful to listen to our emotions, but especially important question those, and their origins, because emotion can mislead.

Personally, I was sickened by the lack of empathy and compassion shown by our country’s leaders. I recognize the Ukraine war issue is extremely fraught, and with the amount of disinformation and propaganda out there, it’s hard to know exactly what’s right. But the fact is, when someone’s country is being systematically demolished, my heart goes out to them. Maybe that’s weak, or naive.

(It’s not).

It was a hard video to watch, especially after spending so much time on Nostr (and none on Twitter), because I have become a bit accustomed to all the good vibes.

I do believe Trump actually wants to end the war. He may be able to get there, and even if the cost to Ukraine is high, the cost of continued warfare is almost certainly higher (although this is highly contingent on what Putin turns his gaze to next).

Trump was clearly triggered enough to revert to “verbally-abusive-parent” mode. I’m not a shrink, but it’s not hard to see. Zelenskyy’s posture was that of man who has watched an ally turn into an abuser. We’ve already extracted enough minerals from the developing world, so now we’ll do it to Ukraine, so long as they agree to let Russia off the hook for the war?

That shit feels wrong, man.

Fuck war 💔

would your opinion be different if x% of the funds sent were for money laundering?

at what x% corruption does the empathy change?

not trying to play gotcha, ugly situation all around, I just think boiling it down to empathy for a country attacked by a bad country doesn't do it justice

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You bring up a good example of why the situation is so complex/fraught/hard to untangle. To answer your question honestly, it would entirely depend on who launders it.

Of course, if the leader of a country in crisis is stealing foreign aid for themselves (see numerous examples referenced in nostr:npub1trr5r2nrpsk6xkjk5a7p6pfcryyt6yzsflwjmz6r7uj7lfkjxxtq78hdpu's Hidden Repression), I would have a lot less sympathy for that leader (but no less for the country’s citizens).

I haven’t seen anything that’s convinced me this is what’s happening here; doesn’t mean it’s not, but it doesn’t seem that way. Money going missing can disappear at any number of steps along the way, and when full-scale military operations are involved, it’s much more likely that the pockets being lines belong to those close to the bullet printer. Maybe that’s the US/international military industrial complex. Maybe it’s corrupt American politicians with corrupt Ukrainian counterparts.

If there is some good investigative journalism that has followed those missing funds, I’m always willing to be wrong. (Note I only said “I haven’t seen”). But in absence of that, listening to the little inner voice that feels what’s right (with pretty good accuracy if my mind can become quiet enough), it doesn’t feel like a black and white “war for the sake of money laundering” situation. Too many people are dying for that, and while you’re right that it’s a complex situation, it’s still a fact that one guy decided to blow up the other guy’s city. There has been conflict - territorial, cultural, etc. - for a long time, but Zelenskyy didn’t one day decide to send tanks and troops to kill a bunch of Russian civilians. On some level, when it comes to judging these kinds of things, it can sometimes help to limit contextual considerations (because it’s always used for propaganda on both sides) and just ask what happened.

Appreciate you asking harder questions 🫂

Yah, I think we're going to disagree and that's ok.

I don't see the origin of the war or the $$ trail in the same way but appreciate you stepping back and taking the thought exercise. Also acknowledge I don't have perfect information.

Cheers 🫂

It sure is 🤝 I’ll be honest, I don’t know what to believe re: missing funds. I have certainly gained an appreciation of the historical context with regard to territory, but I’m also painfully aware that Russia/KGB are the most adept propaganda/disinformation/psy-op masters, and they’ve been working on us for decades. It’s hard to know what to believe when it comes to the nuance, so I kind of feel like I’m reduced to basing it off “who is killing whom?”