always nice to get a heads up about the most toxic trolls tho (not you, the one who started your response thread

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Will? 🤔 I don't think he is trolling. I think maybe understandably slightly frustrated or something? It's normal really. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ or maybe you mean someone else. I don't know what's going on half the time lol. I just pipe up with my stupid opinions lolol

idk, he seems to have a way of appearing in my feed with the most inanely dumbass shit, consistently

i automatically wasn't interested in reading much about him being the most Apple Fanatic of the dev crowd - having had a lot of early experiences with the elitism and brainwashing of that "cult"-ure since i was young (seeing a Mac Plus GUI in the flesh was a watershed for me at age 9, my first real live GUI experience) but one of my best mates is a fan and the ridiculous price and the anti-open-source attitude of the company has always put me off them, and anyone who is in love with their stuff beyond a purely technical/quality assessment of their priorities in the builds, the smooth lines, the low latency of the input/output

but seriously, always i see the same themes among them, so that was offputting

i also hated the bitcoin twitter repetitiveness, and i'm actually kinda pissed off about the neglect that the main stream of the nostr devs are giving to instant messaging, which i perceive as being crucial to actual adoption - this kind of flame fest is exactly the thing about twitter that i don't like most of all, but it's different here because my opinions don't get distorted by attention seeking algorithms, so it's actually worth articulating

and the last point is anyone who seems to be magnetised by limelight is suspect instantly for me, because these people tend to have a very big differential between their character and their presentation, they are good at persuasion because they are LIARS

so, you see, there is multiple ways that i can point to off the top of my head that scream red flags about the OP and the content they just vomited into the trending feeds of the most twitter like clients feeds

there's no frustration here, it's just psychological bullshit, attention seeking behaviour, and i've lost count of how many months since we were promised android damus, and it still isn't here, and i certainly must not leave out the last important point - i had a collision with will over programming languages too, so, not only is he a rabid apple fan, twitter fan, and narcissist, he's also a Rust fan as well

i hate to say it, but the dude is a walking party of red flags, and he only continues to reinforce this impression for me

half expecting some bullshit about socialism or transgender stuff or environmentalism as if there isn't already enough red flags around him

It sounds like someone or group rubbed him the wrong way at the conference. That's unfortunate. However, he took a hammer to the topic versus grabbing a scalpel and addressing it with a little more tact.

"Literally any group of people could have gotten nostr off the ground."

Yet Bitcoiners did. Bitcoiners are the group that donated to OpenSats and other organizations that take donations to give grants. I'm one of them.

Again, the bottom line is his outburst has likely turned off some people like myself. I've suggested Damus for months now to folks looking for nostr clients at my local Bitcoin meetups. I will no longer do so. I've made some donations to nostr projects and seeing the folks that cosigned his message... that's going to stop, too.

I don't know..people have outbursts and offdays without tact. He's not posting via a Damus pr officer consultation, nor do I think anyone here would want him to. I will reserve judgement ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯. Plus I don't know enough about anything going on in the wider scene, I just come here to post my silly lil posts lol

people with narcissistic tendencies show signs that are not abrasive or toxic most of the time to most people, and the "he's got a good heart" and all that kind of buying into their projection of themselves that is typical of abusive people, just that the abuse is only pulling the spotlight, not quite as damaging, but a horrible distraction that is still wasting your life as much as if it was someone telling you where you can spend your money and demanding you walk around with an ankle gps tracker because you might run away, just a lot of people a little bit, instead of a few people a lot

still toxic, and i've said this many times before, and why i was put off by will from very early on, by all the obvious red flags of narcissism

the toxic outbursts are just confirmation

and they will shred some of their swarm of fanbase at times with their outbursts but they ultimately don't really care about 10 people who quit following them if they won 100 new rage addicted fans at the same time

you are one to talk lmao