None of this will change lol. The bitcoin tourettes will not stop lolol. Even my stupid complaint is stupid. It's up to devs who wants to succeed to find workarounds. I can't even help them :)
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always nice to get a heads up about the most toxic trolls tho (not you, the one who started your response thread
Will? 🤔 I don't think he is trolling. I think maybe understandably slightly frustrated or something? It's normal really. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ or maybe you mean someone else. I don't know what's going on half the time lol. I just pipe up with my stupid opinions lolol
idk, he seems to have a way of appearing in my feed with the most inanely dumbass shit, consistently
i automatically wasn't interested in reading much about him being the most Apple Fanatic of the dev crowd - having had a lot of early experiences with the elitism and brainwashing of that "cult"-ure since i was young (seeing a Mac Plus GUI in the flesh was a watershed for me at age 9, my first real live GUI experience) but one of my best mates is a fan and the ridiculous price and the anti-open-source attitude of the company has always put me off them, and anyone who is in love with their stuff beyond a purely technical/quality assessment of their priorities in the builds, the smooth lines, the low latency of the input/output
but seriously, always i see the same themes among them, so that was offputting
i also hated the bitcoin twitter repetitiveness, and i'm actually kinda pissed off about the neglect that the main stream of the nostr devs are giving to instant messaging, which i perceive as being crucial to actual adoption - this kind of flame fest is exactly the thing about twitter that i don't like most of all, but it's different here because my opinions don't get distorted by attention seeking algorithms, so it's actually worth articulating
and the last point is anyone who seems to be magnetised by limelight is suspect instantly for me, because these people tend to have a very big differential between their character and their presentation, they are good at persuasion because they are LIARS
so, you see, there is multiple ways that i can point to off the top of my head that scream red flags about the OP and the content they just vomited into the trending feeds of the most twitter like clients feeds
there's no frustration here, it's just psychological bullshit, attention seeking behaviour, and i've lost count of how many months since we were promised android damus, and it still isn't here, and i certainly must not leave out the last important point - i had a collision with will over programming languages too, so, not only is he a rabid apple fan, twitter fan, and narcissist, he's also a Rust fan as well
i hate to say it, but the dude is a walking party of red flags, and he only continues to reinforce this impression for me
half expecting some bullshit about socialism or transgender stuff or environmentalism as if there isn't already enough red flags around him
It sounds like someone or group rubbed him the wrong way at the conference. That's unfortunate. However, he took a hammer to the topic versus grabbing a scalpel and addressing it with a little more tact.
"Literally any group of people could have gotten nostr off the ground."
Yet Bitcoiners did. Bitcoiners are the group that donated to OpenSats and other organizations that take donations to give grants. I'm one of them.
Again, the bottom line is his outburst has likely turned off some people like myself. I've suggested Damus for months now to folks looking for nostr clients at my local Bitcoin meetups. I will no longer do so. I've made some donations to nostr projects and seeing the folks that cosigned his message... that's going to stop, too.
I don't know..people have outbursts and offdays without tact. He's not posting via a Damus pr officer consultation, nor do I think anyone here would want him to. I will reserve judgement ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Plus I don't know enough about anything going on in the wider scene, I just come here to post my silly lil posts lol
people with narcissistic tendencies show signs that are not abrasive or toxic most of the time to most people, and the "he's got a good heart" and all that kind of buying into their projection of themselves that is typical of abusive people, just that the abuse is only pulling the spotlight, not quite as damaging, but a horrible distraction that is still wasting your life as much as if it was someone telling you where you can spend your money and demanding you walk around with an ankle gps tracker because you might run away, just a lot of people a little bit, instead of a few people a lot
still toxic, and i've said this many times before, and why i was put off by will from very early on, by all the obvious red flags of narcissism
the toxic outbursts are just confirmation
and they will shred some of their swarm of fanbase at times with their outbursts but they ultimately don't really care about 10 people who quit following them if they won 100 new rage addicted fans at the same time
you are one to talk lmao
all I know is: doesnt feel much different than the chans in 2011. well, it does if you consider there were no slogans and satoshi himself was babbling bout ripplecoin. what I mean is: helpless. likewise btc adoption, nostr adoption will only happen when there's a real case use, a reason to be. in the end, people only wanna be accepted and be part of a niche, feel welcomed, the harm embrace of the group. and get likes. or zaps. a normie wouldn't get any here. just as most dazzled nostr subcelebs used to have 30 followers back on cryptotwitter itself. what I do mean is: nostr won't happen, not beyond an autistic echo chamber, anytime soon. I get the frustration, but... helpless.
furthermore: no problemo at all with maxis. I'm one myself. a baby makes me laugh. if not for terzi, I'm all here for the fun. and the aliens.
I suspect if it reached a point of Nostr as it is now or no social media. People would just be go without and be happy lol. It's like the option of being stopped in the street by a charity person and listening to them or sitting in a park under a tree in silence. Unless there was such a huge influx the drowned out the btc spam, or some other workaround readily available from the off. (Eg a client that started you off on a filtered slogan-free relay or whatever).
LOL not a chance.
99% of Normies would still be on social media even it all they were allowed to post about was photos of their breakfast.
yeah, i'm here because i need a social outlet, such as it is, this is still better than anything else
it's actually the rockstars like will and the other engagement farming cool kids repeating their slogans every day who i don't like here... who I do like is our kangaroo friend here, and that lady who posts photos of her desert surroundings a lot ( nostr:npub1cgcwm56v5hyrrzl5ty4vq4kdud63n5u4czgycdl2r3jshzk55ufqe52ndy ) and the punk af dudes like nostr:npub1f0restzwusrck2k62dq2ueelrrfmdfnyk8uhart8n8nqwn94cwwsppm0sa and nostr:npub1utx00neqgqln72j22kej3ux7803c2k986henvvha4thuwfkper4s7r50e8 - the less repetitive, less slogans, more serious questions, more interesting people in general
it's frustrating for me too because i'm involved in working stuff with nostr, and i'm stuck working on stuff that is right on the margin, and my boss fully understands the potential and it's not for nothing that he wants to keep his spoon in this pot of soup, it is going to go off at some point in the near future, once a critical mass of BUSINESS USE CASE adoption starts, and i'm glad for that because it lets me continue to sharpen up my nostr blades so when that starts, i'll be ready to edward scissorhands it
client dev priorities are wrong, twitter and bitcoin are high, chat and filtering are low
like, i like #coracle but why does it tell me about shit i have hidden wasting my pixels?
i discovered i can use ublock to remove the ones that follow after replies, but i doubt it's so simple for the one above
and i rate coracle as the best client for nostr currently, reigning champion since the beginning, and even the reason why nostr got jack's love instead of IPFS based bluesky
it's really just a matter of whose money is going to the developers, and what they want to see
there is probably hundreds of people out there watching this now who have money to put into it but are still on the fence about whether it's got a future or not, even if it has every aspect of the necessary to become a new base layer protocol for the internet
to make an analogy, it's like people looking on at Compuserv circa 1985 and thinking "yeah, but it's full of middle class university students talking about computers"
and the very unfortunate thing is that the main qualities about the existing situation are so contentious as the twitter-clone is successfully doing, except crappily because twitter is only popular because it increases that aggro so al the aggroheads are addicted to it
you can just look at my feed through most clients, to see, that indeed more than 80% of the content of my follows is nostr or homesteading or geopolitics... for me bitcoin is important but only a small number of people are ever going to be fanatics about it, and the bitcoin twitter cloning is just amplifying them
i find them all boring, jack, odell, gigi, carla, walker, all the hot hits on twitter, so fucking boring here
I personally really wouldn't mind bitcoin talk, if/when it was like actual information or conversation, or technical questions or even help with my wallet type questions or whatever. Even tho I barely understand it. I wouldn't and don't mute that. It's the crappy inherited BT culture of lame memes and slogans everyone's seen 1000 times, over and over. (I say BT specifically cos that's what's here on nostr btw, but the wider crypto twitter culture is also 99% boring af too, just to be clear).
Clients promote these bitcoinfluencers by having them in suggested follows (or even worse on primal's sidebar), and ironically it does more harm than good. Unless in fact they are just attempting to make bitcointwitter2, which I don't think they are silly enough to be doing lol. They're just playing it safe and/or catering to a crowd of BT expats maybe. Get some user retention any which way they can? (But tbf, even a lot of people on/from BT find the influencers boring).
yeah, i used to follow a few of them but i cast my net wider and explored the more populated reaches of my social graph and i barely even know there is all caps man or mister beard and septum ring on here... with nostriga on i found some more abrasive elements to remove as well
i say the key issue is that the userbase needs to be centered around marketplaces, most of all, and an easy, low hanging fruit is business collab and contact systems (slack/github style)
but 90% of the VC money on nostr is going to the BT and reddit style, because that's where the existing large userbases are, even though both platforms are absolutely riddled with antisocial toxic shit