Replying to Avatar Lyn Alden

When it comes to AI, philosophical people often ask "What will happen to people if they lack work? Will they find it hard to find meaning in such a world of abundance?"

But there is a darker side to the question, which people intuit more than they say aloud.

In all prior technological history, new technologies changed the nature of human work but did not displace the need for human work. The fearful rightly ask: what happens if we make robots, utterly servile, that can outperform the majority of humans at most tasks with lower costs? Suppose they displace 70% or 80% of human labor to such an extent that 70% or 80% of humans cannot find another type of economic work relative to those bots.

Now, the way I see it, it's a lot harder to replace humans than most expect. Datacenter AI is not the same as mobile AI; it takes a couple more decades of Moore's law to put a datacenter supercomputer into a low-energy local robot, or it would otherwise rely on a sketchy and limited-bandwidth connection to a datacenter. And it takes extensive physical design and programming which is harder than VC bros tend to suppose. And humans are self-repairing for the most part, which is a rather fantastic trait for a robot. A human cell outcompetes all current human technology in terms of complexity. People massively over-index what robots are capable of within a given timeframe, in my view. We're nowhere near human-level robots for all tasks, even as we're close to them for some tasks.

But, the concept is close enough to be on our radar. We can envision it in a lifetime rather than in fantasy or far-off science fiction.

So back to my prior point, the darker side of the question is to ask how humans will treat other humans if they don't need them for anything. All of our empathetic instincts were developed in a world where we needed each other; needed our tribe. And the difference between the 20% most capable and 20% least capable in a tribe wasn't that huge.

But imagine our technology makes the bottom 20% economic contributes irrelevant. And then the next 20%. And then the next 20%, slowly moving up the spectrum.

What people fear, often subconsciously rather than being able to articulate the full idea, is that humanity will reach a point where robots can replace many people in any economic sense; they can do nothing that economicall outcomes a bot and earns an income other than through charity.

And specifically, they wonder what happens at the phase when this happens regarding those who own capital vs those that rely on their labor within their lifetimes. Scarce capital remains valuable for a period of time, so long as it can be held legally or otherwise, while labor becomes demonetized within that period. And as time progresses, weak holders of capital who spend more than they consume, also diminish due to lack of labor, and many imperfect forms of capital diminish. It might even be the case that those who own the robots are themselves insufficient, but at least they might own the codes that control them.

Thus, people ultimately fear extinction, or being collected into non-economic open-air prisons and given diminishing scraps, resulting in a slow extinction. And they fear it not from the robots themselves, but from the minority of humans who wield the robots.

Hi Lyn,

I have a difficult time resonating with this line of thinking. Firstly, I don’t think social cooperation purely stems from economic gain. I do not make peace with my family because it benefits me economically. There is a deeper sense of unified identity, a.k.a love, that exits in human interaction amongst ourselves and broader environment.

More importantly, I find the worry of AI taking jobs hard to grasp. I feel it fundamentally ignores some basic economic principles. As a young man, I enjoyed the analogy of Robinson Crusoe while reading Austrian Economic literature. When he first lands on the island he has nothing, and must fish with his bare hands. Eventually, the accumulation of capital and savings allows him to eventually develop a spear, which saves him more time. This extra time allows for the development of more savings and capital, leading to a net, a fishing boat, etc. Eventually, he is able to invent the ultimate time saver, the robot that hunts the fish for him. Economic progression is the story of human labor developing tools that save us time. It stands to reason that all laborious time will eventually be conducted by our tools. Furthermore, the history of economics shows that this benefits everyone, as the entire planet becomes more abundant with goods and services. Of course, if there is coercion involved, then the allocation of resources is improperly distributed. Most severely, we currently have fiat money which greatly reduces the abundance that everyone could be experiencing at this time if sound money were to be used more broadly. The computer, which includes both AI and Bitcoin, solves the issues of both sides of the coin: AI completes Crusoe’s progression, while Bitcoin ensures that the benefits of this abundance is widespread.

I would end this with a thought experiment; Imagine a world where there were 100% efficient / infinite energy machines. Every person had a kind of 3D Printer, with infinite energy, where they could create any object and supply all the energy needed for life. Each home would have all the food they needed, all the luxuries they needed, all the medical attention they needed, as well as all of the turrets and sentries needed to defend their home. Is this world incredibly peaceful? Or incredibly oppressive? I imagine it as incredibly peaceful. Even the most dark people would be better off making some kind of cloned doll in their 3D printer to torture, rather than risking life and limb to invade a neighbor’s home with all of their defense systems. Everyone would have what they would need, there would be no good reason to commit aggression against another. It would be a world of peace.

Though this world is not possible, a world where we are 99.999999% efficient with energy is. I don’t see that world being very different than the thought experiment above. To me, this is what the world slowly becomes with all of this advancement brought about by the products of the computer.

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