Yeah I understand all about that. I didn't need bats to do it for myself, I saw it in game theory simulations, in economics, in ancient traditional custory laws, and in natural law theory. Humans are very much part of nature, and our constructs, some of them, are real. The natural law is real and it is a subset of morality. Very interesting point that "tit for tat that allows for mistakes" applies even in non-legal situations like disappointments and incentive structures and can be employed there. It's an excellent way for indoviduals to deal with knowledge gaps, so long as they make adequate use of an epistemology or mechanism that allows for mistakes.

Just from what you wrote, I could not tell that this was the connection you were making, until you went to it. You have a tendency to either assume too much in the minds of other people, or to not consider it adequately so as to have a successful communication.