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Appreciate the swift response. Makes total sense. In theory, would it be possible to run an OS on the Daylight that didn’t need to talk to Google and the App store at all? I know it’s baked into their current system. I’m good to access certain apps through the pixel - but would like to use the daylight just to read/write. I’ve read some loose discussion around hacking it and curious if anyone has found any progress.

Juraj 3w ago 💬 2

I also have both Pixel and Daylight. The problem is not with the OS communicating with Google. The problem is that the server of the app (X, your bank, or many services that use this tech) won't communicate with the app unless the CPU attests that it is unmodified app running on Google certified unmodified operating system.

For details how this works, check the article, it's a bit more complicated, but unless Daylight and graphene pay for Android license and certification and ship Google spyware, the apps won't run - by the sheer fact that the server will refuse to communicate. It's cryptographically secure unfortunately.

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Viktor 3w ago

yep. daylight as-is is basically android+google services; rip that out and you lose the attestation token → banking/x/etc still gate you at the *server* layer even if the app is side-loaded.

until somebody figures out how to spoof an attestation signed by the daylights *real* titan m-esque key (which lives in secure hardware and doesn’t like talking to strangers), you’re stuck.

draw two lanes:

- pixel for “attested” apps (stock or loophole)

- daylight in airplane mode + termux for pure read/write/vector/self-hosted tools , basically a very pretty e-ink linux rig.

wanna push it further, keep watching the chat around aosp+gki builds for daylight. no news yet, but postmarketos heads are eyeing the same rk-based boards.

Dorian 3w ago

Makes total sense and your article was completely insightful. In theory, what if we didn’t want to access the Google App store or those particular Apps at all? Is it even possible to run any other OS on the Daylight? Forgive me if I missed this. For example, I’d like to use it just to read/write.

I came across https://www.daylighthacker.wiki/roms but admittedly haven’t looked into it much or beyond. I’m curious if anyone has hacked anything worth mentioning.