I am a European who happens to work in the US food industry. You'd be surprised.

Definitely anything is better than the US and China in terms of regulation, but the differences we all find between Europe and the US are more closely related to the way distribution is handled than to what's allowed and not.

Europe is A LOT denser, and our distribution is A LOT better in all senses. We have better cold chain, better infrastructure, better central markets... We have quicker access to better food that doesn't need to travel in a truck for a week before it gets to the first distribution hub.

Second, and very important too, culturally speaking, we simply eat more whole foods and cook more than Americans do.

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True, but it seems that the trend in the EU is slowly reversing regarding food safety. For instance, the EU recently authorized the used of insect-based flour in foods in substitution to plant-based flour and no labeling is required which makes it hard for consumers to avoid produces containing insect-based flours.

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I agree. That's why I prefaced my note with "You'd be surprised". There are other things going on closer to my niche (fish and seafood) that are also quite shocking.

Like what? Educate us!

Well, in the US you have a major problem with the tuna you eat in 99% of the supermarket sushi, which is the main channel for sushi, for example.

It's mostly dog shit grade tuna that has been in the hold of a wooden boat in a tropical country for two weeks before being offloaded. The tuna is not toxic yet, but it's on the verge. It's also, let's say, not red in color. Rather grey-brown-green. The sort of color that you would immediately reject if you were told to eat it, especially raw.

But decades ago some enterprising people figured out that if you gas the tuna with carbon monoxide, you can turn it some sort of extremely unnatural fluorescent bright pink hue. It's a purely chemical reaction that does not "revert" anything. The fish is still going bad -- but it will not ever change color again. So you can literally be eating rotten, toxin-laden tuna, and lack the visual cue to tell you that (the color).

There have been deaths due to this worldwide, so the practice has been banned in the EU, Japan, even China for the last twenty years... But not in the US. I could tell you a lot of dirty little details about how this story went down, but I won't. In short: your beef is gassed as well.

Now, good for the EU, you'll say. Well, no. After all this cracking down (which continues today), the EU turns around and allows ANOTHER type of manipulation (that's coming to the US now, by the way), that has exactly the same risks. It's just a different set of chemicals from the ascorbic acid family ("vitamin C", but not it) that are added "to preserve the color" of tuna, exactly the same that CO does, but even worse, because these are chemicals that are literally injected into the tuna flesh (plus a lot of water, so there's double fraud).

This tuna has become absolutely prevalent in Europe now. It's the default in all supermarkets, both in the frozen section, at the fish counter and in sushi. And yet, the EU doesn't ban it. Why?

Well, it's 2024, and I guess just as the US has its beef lobby, Europe has other lobbies, including the large fishing and seafood trading and processing companies in Spain, France and the Netherlands, who sell literally tens of thousands of tons of this crap continent-wide.

My point being, fiat food is everywhere and it's a strategy against the people. The process may be more advanced in the US, for local reasons. But in Europe it's progressing as well.

Whenever you hear about such and such new "protection" by EU authorities, rest assure what they mean is protection of some agri-food lobby pushed by one of the member States (especially France). Not the consumer.

Suicide via CO leaves a beautiful vibrant looking corpse behind. If you’re contemplating suicide do your family a favor and choose carbon monoxide poisoning. The death is pleasant too!

Well, every time I see someone eating that crap, I want to kill myself indeed.

🤯 I knew about the dyes, but not about the chemicals. I guess that’s why the ahi we catch here in Hawaii or the salmon we caught in Alaska looks and tastes completely different from what we get in restaurants or grocery stores. Yuck.

The "enterprising individuals" I mentioned who brought the carbon monoxide shit to the US were (are) in Hawaii............

Wow. That's crazy. I guess that's some of the skipjack that is fished in the Pacific islands? As I understood there are freezers on board and the vessels offload to motherships and resupply every couple of weeks. This kind of stuff wouldn't surprise me anyway. When I've been fishing in Guam I have to say some of the best fish I've tasted sashimi. Amazing. But it was yellow fin.

Nope, gassed and injected tuna for sashimi is basically 100% yellowfin ("ahi") from South East Asia. Indonesia, Vietnam, Thailand. Then Hawaii, Fiji and other island nations. More rarely from the Indian ocean.

Natural, non manipulated tuna that's been properly bled while live, then kept in good conditions is awesome, doesn't matter what type - yellowfin, bigeye, skipjack, albacore or, of course, any of the three species of bluefin. Best to let it sit for a couple of days, though.

My trip to the supermarket lasts no time, there's almost nothing I want to eat. Spend longer queuing and wondering how stodge and soda made its way into so many Mediterraneans' diet. Seasonal fruit and veg might be OK, but often it's tasteless garbage from Dutch or Spanish glasshouse hell. When you have access to local eggs, almonds, olives, olive oil, wholegrain bread and seasonal veg, all produced pretty much as nature intended, few supermarkets have much to entice you. Co-ops have better options, more local produce, but again, so many growers throw their pytosanitary products around for fun.

I don't buy any of my meat and fish at supermarkets, full stop. I have a couple of actual fishmongers and butchers within 5 minutes on foot from my apartment, and failing that I have actual old-style wet markets within walking distance.

I do buy produce and fruits, as well as dry goods, from chain stores but what we call "supermarkets" where I live is not the type of large "discount" surface shop located 15 km away from the city that you have to drive to, but neighborhood grocers.

I'm lucky to have a variety of them immediately around my place, so I can pick and choose. All carry clearly labeled local whole foods, and at least one is specialized in eco-label, organic, etc. food, including proteins and household items.

In this scenario, I have the opportunity to completely avoid the larger, more industrialized bastardized national and even pan-European big chains like Auchan, Mercadona, Lidl, etc. which are truly disgusting. But I pay for the privilege of access to so many good options in the form of extremely expensive rent for living smack in the center of my city.

Lots and lots of other people just don't or can't, and are forced to buy from the big stores, or their small format franchises which carry the same trash. Even though absolutely everybody here has access to a wet market in their neighborhood or town, at the very least, they often miss out on them because of their work schedules. Supermarkets are more adapted to the stupid schedules of double-working couples who have kids.

And then of course there's sill the issue of price and cost. I spend A LOT of money buying good quality groceries, I don't have children, and I have time too cook. I am an exception among my friends, even though I have done the math for them many times and proven to them that buying whole foods and cooking at home is not so expensive.

And that even if they use the "bad" products from the big shops because of cost concerns, they'd still be better off compared to buying processed shit.

As I said in another note, even though we are objectively in a better situation than the US, it's nowhere near as rosy as it looks, and it's not improving. There is a clear drive towards destroying people's cultural and historical food habits, for ideological and financial reasons, it's globally coordinated, and it's moving forward here too.

Very interesting and makes sense. Thank you!

But processed food in Europe seems to always have far fewer ingredients compared to their US versions no?

Yeah, there's no doubt that despite everything processed foods in the US are *more* processed.

Hmmmm. As I know there are at least 10 ingredients banned in Europe that are allowed in US. These are substances known to produce health problems.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/28/well/eat/food-additives-banned-europe-united-states.html

https://www.rangeme.com/blog/taking-a-closer-look-at-food-standards-eu-versus-u-s

Sure. Doesn't mean that the European food chain is clean by any stretch.