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Due process costs money, a lot of money.

El Salvador had to compromise on due process when they rounded up the gang members. When 1% of your population are murderous , violent, criminals who need to be locked up, there simply aren't enough judges or lawyers to give everyone full due process.

The West faces the exact same problem with illegals. We've allowed in literally tens of millions of violent, unproductive, people who need to be forced out, and fast. There aren't enough judges or lawyers on the planet to give every one of those people trials.

The compromise is some innocent people will be wronged. But overall it's the right compromise to make. Fighting violence and criminality at this scale is closer to fighting a war than it is a policing action.

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samuel 8mo ago 💬 2

Is it the immigrants fault that the US had an open border policy?

These immigrant’s transit was funded by NGOs they were ignorant to the process?

You seem happy to skip on recompense from them (the NGOs)?

Why should tax payers flip the bill at this point. Close the border and move on.

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Peter Todd 8mo ago 💬 4

If the US hadn't had that policy they wouldn't even be here. So returning them is just getting back to the status quo.

The _lack_ of consequence is one reason why this is acceptable: in most of these removal cases the US is _not_ punishing the person being removed in any meaningful way. They're just being returned to where they came from.

samuel 8mo ago

Trump is a man of his word, this is what he ran on and he is delivering.

I agree due process is not possible.

Even if it was our courts SUCK!

freemymind 🇨🇭 8mo ago

But you do know, that it is not exclusively people from el salvador, that get deported to prisons in el salvador?

Sorry to steal this illusion. It is not about deporting people back to their country.

Peter Todd 8mo ago

Find an example of someone _not_ from El Salvador who was deported to El Salvador. I haven't actually found one yet – there's been claims. But they turn out to be El Salvadorans when their background is investigated more fully.

There probably will be the occasional mistake. But that isn't proving to be very common.

freemymind 🇨🇭 8mo ago

https://youtu.be/E8BZADrecac

I think Trump is very clear with his intentions. No misunderstanding. He is willing to deport US citizen to the prisons of el salvador. Due to the reality, that court decisions are not respected, what do you need to hear more to see the problem?

Vitor and I say the current president is activly working to take apart the US democracy. Can you agree with this claim? And do you defend this destruction too? Can you read yourself how your words are defending authoritarian regimes for their methods in general?

freemymind 🇨🇭 8mo ago

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2025-04-10/about-90-of-migrants-sent-to-el-salvador-lacked-u-s-criminal-record

Really? Here it is actually proven to be very common. 90% of expelled people have no criminal record in the US. People are from Venezuela and El Salvador. In which part is there any mention about your occasional mistake? It is rather occasionally there is someone expelled for wrong doing.