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That fact that anyone thinks the Russia-Ukraine war is purely a “money laundering front” and anything less than an act of violent aggression by an authoritarian dictator shows how out-of-touch with reality some people are.

Conspiracies and corruption exist. Of course they do!!!

But that doesn’t mean that major crises aren’t also real, and that there isn’t a “right” and “wrong” view.

Since the Cold War, the KGB-tactics around disinformation, used for sewing distrust/dissent, have so thoroughly infiltrated western social media that the same people who argue “don’t trust, verify” for their monetary technology will simp for the exact kind of authoritarianism that Bitcoin is here to prevent.

It’s fucking embarrassing and it makes it so much harder to grow adoption.

/rant

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Adeptus 2y ago

As with most things involving humans, it's complicated.

The simple answer that most supports a desired narrative is always going to be the one that simple minds run to and media will push for their own gain.

A lot of different moving pieces are vying for their own gain and interest.

As it's always been.

boston wine 2y ago

Complicated indeed!

Corrupt incentives / fiat externalities make it that much harder to differentiate between science and narrative, or between bad intentions and human fallibility.

bitcoiner7 nym 2y ago

I recommend listening to this. A great expansion who is evil and who is better, and why we should support Ukraine to minimize horror and deaths.

Of course I'm biased because I live in a country that may be next, if Ukraine falls.

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5ibG9ndGFsa3JhZGlvLmNvbS95YXJvbmJyb29rL3BvZGNhc3Q/episode/aHR0cHM6Ly9hcGkuc3ByZWFrZXIuY29tL2VwaXNvZGUvNTYwNTYzMDI?ep=14

Sikto 2y ago

💯 I see this so often in other sets of public discourse as well. There are crises that deserve our attention and conflating one issue with another is not the way we should be going about it . Being skeptical is necessary, but to believe every crisis is a plot against you is not helpful for anyone.

boston wine 2y ago

Absolutely. And it doesn’t help that there truly are corrupt incentives and hypocritical leaders, saying one thing and doing another. Makes it much harder to know who to trust and how to act, when it comes to complex questions and international issues where the “right” choice is different for different people, cultures, and regions.

But it’s no surprise that in a social world with 140-character limits and a toxic algorithm, appreciation for nuance is the first thing to go

Sikto 2y ago

🎯

Drew F 2y ago

The wrong view is that Ukraine has any chance of really winning. The US backed Ukraine so that the military and related companies can grow in size and profits, therefore influence.

In the process, more lives are being lost now through the wars extension, than would have been otherwise.

The negative attitude against Putin and Russia, although being warranted to a degree, is blown way out of proportion by the media to distract US citizens (taxpayers) from what they are really funding. That is the military industrial complex and it's functions which include: Killing, destruction, terror, environmental harm and so much more.

boston wine 2y ago

Agree on military industrial complex. A perfect example of corrupt incentives.

But disagree on the greater issue. One country invaded another and started murdering people. If USA did this to Canada, or Mexico, and started blowing up cities, and CA/MX had no chance of winning, it would still be “wrong” for the US to do, and it would be “right” for other countries to support the country being pillaged.

My problem is not with people debating US response. It’s that any of these responses don’t start with, “Putin is being an evil dickhead and we should acknowledge that before discussing next steps”. There’s a whataboutism that completely misses the reality here (to describe it as generously as I can).