doesn't change the fact i can't use it for testing

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Yeah, but I can't fix outbox if I don't know what's wrong with it, you didn't answer my question

it isn't contacting my relay even though it's in the relay list - the only entry even

it looks like the relay list in coracle still works by the old relay lists and not NIP-65 in/outbox lists, to me, that's why i said it

it only worked well when i ran an instance and locked it to my relay

the NIP-42 worked better in the custom instance situation too, like sometimes as quick as 10 seconds or less to auth

Cool, I'll look into both those things

yeah i saw you had worked on the relay list page to add the ability to easily add more... maybe to add some buttons so you can set relays as in/outbox?