Replying to Avatar Derek Ross

Good morning! I am about to execute **Life Hack 6102-F: Pay bills with Fold and get bitcoin back**. *May the gambling odds ever be in my favor.*

**What am I doing?**

I use a rewards credit card to purchase *everything*. Then, once a month, I pay the full credit card bill off via my Fold debit card. I get bitcoin back for things that I would normally have to buy and I also earn other rewards. It's a win/win.

**How do you do it?**

I use PayPal's bill pay feature. I have my [Fold debit card](https://use.foldapp.com/r/DEREKROSS) setup in PayPal. I use PayPal to find and add my bills. I pay the bill with PayPal and set PayPal to use my Fold debit card for that transaction. PayPal then debits my Fold card and I get bitcoin back!

**How much do you get back?*

Well, that depends. You can get a flat 1% back or you can gamble a bit and spin a wheel of random opportunities. Generally speaking, if you have enough spins available, you can get 2% back or sometimes more if you're really lucky. I generally try to have ~10 spins available for paying large bills. That *almost* guarantees 2%. (I was able to get 3% back on my mortgage last week.)

**Fold sucks!**

Yes. Fold's rewards and gamification efforts have declined. They keep changing their rules and modifying how *the game* works. I fully agree, I hate it, and it's annoying. That said, until something better comes along that is going to give me ~500K sats back every month for things I have to do anyways, then I'm going to continue to use this.

I am excited to see what Strike offer's when they launch their [debit card](https://invite.strike.me/OL0N3F). Maybe they'll give a more flat rate in rewards and you won't have to play these games? Who knows?

I’ve been trying to figure out how I might use the fold card to pay bills and stuff to earn those extra sats. Using PayPal Billing is genius. Might give this a try. I’m keeping my fiat in a checking account that pays 3.8% interest on cash, gonna see if I can fund my fold card using that.

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3.8% interested is kind of nuts. You don't see those rates that often.

They’re likely making serious money off of me one way or another. The bank is online, no physical locations as far as I am aware. It’s called Wealth Front.