Good morning! I am about to execute **Life Hack 6102-F: Pay bills with Fold and get bitcoin back**. *May the gambling odds ever be in my favor.*

**What am I doing?**

I use a rewards credit card to purchase *everything*. Then, once a month, I pay the full credit card bill off via my Fold debit card. I get bitcoin back for things that I would normally have to buy and I also earn other rewards. It's a win/win.

**How do you do it?**

I use PayPal's bill pay feature. I have my [Fold debit card](https://use.foldapp.com/r/DEREKROSS) setup in PayPal. I use PayPal to find and add my bills. I pay the bill with PayPal and set PayPal to use my Fold debit card for that transaction. PayPal then debits my Fold card and I get bitcoin back!

**How much do you get back?*

Well, that depends. You can get a flat 1% back or you can gamble a bit and spin a wheel of random opportunities. Generally speaking, if you have enough spins available, you can get 2% back or sometimes more if you're really lucky. I generally try to have ~10 spins available for paying large bills. That *almost* guarantees 2%. (I was able to get 3% back on my mortgage last week.)

**Fold sucks!**

Yes. Fold's rewards and gamification efforts have declined. They keep changing their rules and modifying how *the game* works. I fully agree, I hate it, and it's annoying. That said, until something better comes along that is going to give me ~500K sats back every month for things I have to do anyways, then I'm going to continue to use this.

I am excited to see what Strike offer's when they launch their [debit card](https://invite.strike.me/OL0N3F). Maybe they'll give a more flat rate in rewards and you won't have to play these games? Who knows?

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Fold is better than getting cash back from other cards, especially considering sats/$ during this bear market. Low time preference is how you win on Fold.

US Only

Shame, not available to to UK..

Nice one. Never thought about the PayPal thing. I guess I figured they would try to extract a % that made it not worth it. I’m fortunate enough to be able to pay my mortgage by debit and it feels like the ultimate life hack getting bitcoin back on that.

I just paid the bill and got back 2%. Super easy!

For non-US residents Plutus.it is a good alternative. You get 3% right off the bat for every purchase. You can increase the percentage up to 8% by stacking their native shitcoin. You get paid with their token, but you can swap it to btc immediately.

I’ve been trying to figure out how I might use the fold card to pay bills and stuff to earn those extra sats. Using PayPal Billing is genius. Might give this a try. I’m keeping my fiat in a checking account that pays 3.8% interest on cash, gonna see if I can fund my fold card using that.

3.8% interested is kind of nuts. You don't see those rates that often.

They’re likely making serious money off of me one way or another. The bank is online, no physical locations as far as I am aware. It’s called Wealth Front.

I use Gemini credit card. It straight pays bitcoin rewards direct to my Gemini hot wallet. When I accumulate a certain amount of BTC I withdraw to cold storage. I don’t think it gets any more simple.

Here are the rewards percentages Gemini credit cards owners earn:

3% back in food and drink

This includes bars, restaurants, and fast food.

2% back on groceries

This includes grocery stores, and markets but not wholesale stores.

1% back on everything else

Gemini is kind of going through some things, so it's hard to recommend them right now, but they are also doing 10% back on gas - which that is pretty sweet.

Yes sir. I’ve gotten that 10% back on gas. It’s very nice. And I’m aware of what they’re going through. That’s why I get my BTC off there asap.

But those twin brothers don’t play any games. The NYS regulation is also, in situations like this, a comforting factor. However nothing comforts me better than knowing that I snatch my BTC off the exchange frequently.

What credit card allows you to pay it off with PayPal?

Many of them do. Just type in your bill into the bill pay feature and see if yours is offered.

What about the reward limit (like 2% max $25 back)? To get around this, I pay the bill in chunks around $1000 to avoid hitting max rewards… learned the hard way once…

This is what I do. I don't pay anything more than $1250 at a time to maximize my rewards. I normally pay large bills over the course of several days.

Same! Although I’m missing the “metaverse” game for those extra extra spins lately. Was a bit of extra spin security

Those extra spins were really nice. I counted on them.

Haven’t been hitting that dollar / sat match lately either.

Spin wheel took a step back. 😅

That was the best way to get like 20% back on a coffee lol

I bought a beer one time and paid with Fold and got 10K sats. At the time it was something like 20% or so too.

Great incentive to drink beer lol

It is! Though, that won't happen every time 😂

A guy can dream lol

I got 5000 sats all the time at Dutch Bros being that I spend that much a month. It’s been pretty dire spinning and the mystery box thing is pretty dumb. Just takes more time and I get less lol

Devs need to do something 😩

Amen to that!

I use the Cash App card and roll the round-up Sats into Fountain.fm to support content creators