I like what is happening with Monero; it shows that the market wants privacy, but now Monero only has to rise 16,000% compared to Bitcoin to achieve this, assuming that Bitcoin does not rise any further.
We have to put things into perspective. I see many people speaking more on behalf of their feelings than their reason, like women.
Não creio que o Monero vai ultrapassar o valor do Bitcoin, porque o Monero ainda tem algumas tecnologias defasadas em relação ao Bitcoin.
Com a lightning ⚡ , temos como transferir 1 Satoshi sem pagar taxas.
Claro, precisa de uma carteira que não é self custodial, mas para transações pequenas no dia a dia, isto é importante.
Outro fator é psicológico, o governo continuará investindo em psicologia para convencer pessoas que privacidade é coisa de bandido. Isto retira a moeda de circulação.
No entanto. MONERO sim, será o SEGUNDO bitcoin, por que quando as pessoas querem privacidade é ao Monero que eles recorrem.
ooga booga women only feel no think so me monke know better, facts
lightning + ecash makes monero obsolete.
Not according to darknet markets which are the worlds largest p2p markets reliant on cryptocurrency.
bro they just don't know ecash bro, like... bro.
Yeah I like how he didn't respond to this but responded to nostr:nprofile1qqs0npwnpyvheqz7zuvuwvv9k460c0hyqlturds40hhfn34vufvehwcpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qghwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxummnw3ezucnpdejz7qg3waehxw309ahx7um5wghxcctwvshswn6x4a who commented after me.
Sorry oversaw your answer. I did not question moneros usage in darknet markets, use whatever you want. but if you already hold bitcoin which is a way bigger amount of people you can go lightning->ecash if you need full privacy for specific txs. you can also use lightning with private channels for day to day usage. monero plays a niche role which is ok. but its not easy to on and off ramp from fiat to gain that privacy and because of that more and more people getting onboarded via bitcoin and can get access to privacy txs via ln (+ecash). In the long run this makes monero obsolete imho. will it be a niche? possibly yes. but not for mass privacy adoption.
Darknet markets aren't niche, they're estimated to be the biggest p2p crypto market for physical goods. Why is Monero almost exclusively used while neither lightning nor ecash are anywhere to be found?
Why has the free market decided to use an inferior and obsolute network when they begun with Bitcoin and bitcoin has stronger network effect and liquidity? Why didn't the Darknet switch to lightning over Monero?
Comparing to the broader world economy darknet market are an absolute niche. ~0.002 from global e commerce is a niche.
Why should those markets switch to lightning or ecash right now? monero is older and works darknet markets obviously well enough. bitcoin lightning not aming for darknet, its object is to dominate/penetrate global markets.
You claimed that lightning makes Monero obsolete, yet currently, Monero payment stats across crypto accepting businesses: Nano-GPT, shopinbit, coincards etc shows way higher volume for Monero than lightning and sometimes even over Bitcoin as a whole.
Then I brought up the point of when privacy means freedom vs incarceration like with darknet markets, the market chooses Monero and doesn't even consider lightning.
What then gives you the confidence to make the claim that lightning and especially ecash, makes Monero obsolete? All evidence up until now points to the inverse, is that just temporary irrationality, and lightning is destined to explode in usage? Perhaps a major UX and privacy innovation is right around the corner for lightning?
If you call a worldwide transaction volume of 0.002 percent not obsolete than ok. I doubt monero will ever go beyond dark markets and some specific shops. As of right now monero users are willing to spend there coins because of privacy functions or because they don’t believe in worldwide adoption is unknown.
Lightning Volume exploded in 2025, you can ask any noderunner on nostr.
Just because some shops have a higher monero volume doesn’t count the lightning volume for all the other txs.
At one point blinded paths for lightning gonna be implemented which increases the privacy even more.
No not some shops, all shops that accept both Monero and Lightning shows insanely disproportionate volume in the Monero direction. I've yet to see statistics that even show deviation from this, I invite you to find it.
Yeah lightning volume exploded with Nostr almost certainly because of small zap donations, which is the best and pretty much only use case for lightning currently.
No it didn’t explode with nostr. It exploded with privacy swapping and the implementation of lightning into a shitload of square pos terminals. A gazillion more point of sales than all those monero shops.
Can you prove that with square statistics? I talked to my local coffee shop a month after square released lightning and I was the first person trying to pay with lightning. My payment also failed after 60 seconds ostensibly because my channel was opened with too small a node and couldn't find a path lol.
I'm dealing in real hard evidence, you're talking about speculation. Can you bring the evidence? Also bit of an unfair comparison bringing up square since the only cryptocurrency they can accept is lightning bitcoin. It would be very hard to surmise a direct comparison between lightning and monero when you're dealing with a platform that only accepts one and not the other.
I can tell you that since they implemented it the volume on my routing node increased drastically. Why is the comparison unfair. Way more people holding bitcoin than monero and they gonna switch to lightning (with privacy features like ecash on top) than going to swap to monero to pay goods on the darknet.
Very speculative claim with limited evidence of real world transactions. Since you're talking hypothetical we will have to come back to this in the future.
Agree, it is speculative. We are gonna see. Enjoyed the talk anyway! Always good to have different opinions talking about possible outcomes in the future without insulting each other ✌️
ecash is a shitcoin, so no.
run your own mint and use it for small acounts. instant and with maximum privacy. interoperable with lightning. i guess you never tried that
neither have you.
so everyone has to run an ecash mint and an entire LN stack for payments.
rather that just using a safe, private L1 with fast confirmations.
yes I am sure that is the future of private payments 👍
ofc i have. no you don‘t have to run your own mint. You can also use existing mints. swap in for lightning pay with ecash. instant.
right.
now we're back at "I like Bitcoin, use my shitcoin"
use whatever you want, i am ok with monero. its just 10x easier switching from sats to ecash without buying p2p or monero on a shady exchange.
just pointing that, if 1st principles are a priority,
monero is better than ecash
but sure, if you're already holding Bitcoin its easier to swap into ecash.
of course
more people actually accept Monero than ecash. so...
sure bro. let's all just put hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of crypto in a hot wallet on a 24/7 server.
fuck, howcome I never thought of it? you're right, that's so much safer than having it offline in a multisig.
dude, you're a genius.
gosh darn it that monero shitcoin..
The money is just swapping from Zcash to Monero becasue VC guys fighting. Nothing more to see here.
Speaking of feelings over reason, does he even realize the builtin NGU mentality in his thinking?
As if #monero had to reach dollar-price parity with bitcoin to be useful.
Maxi nonsense.
No entiendo bien tu post...
Monero "compite" con Bitcoin?
Junto a mi nodo con Bitcoin Core tengo uno LN con Alby Hub y otro de Monero 🙃
Básicamente para aprender.
Es difícil conseguir XMR, aún aceptando pasar por un CEX. Y tampoco está tan difundido y aceptado cómo BTC.
¿Por qué competiría?
Bah, sin dudas no conozco demasiado de Monero 🫥
It's not about the money.
Monero has to attract 160x the amount of US Dollars to "achieve" what?
I thought USD was a broken measurement?
Why do maxis only use it when it suits their confirmation bias?
