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You can't traverse NAT without a server to setup your connection. Especially on mobile networks. One of your 'peers' must open their firewall. By doing so, in my book, it becomes a server. But the semantics may have changed, I dunno why people think servers are so lame. They're just computers that are up and online.
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StephanGuy 2y ago

peers in p2p are servers

from the lead dev of holepunch.to https://x.com/mafintosh/status/1259596991857930243 there is distributed holepunching aka nat firewall traversal

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cloud fodder 2y ago

Yes, it uses a lot of techniques I'm well familiar with, techniques that don't really work anymore. Like STUN. Mobile networks especially, you're just gonna end up sending all that traffic through a turn relay (which is fine).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traversal_Using_Relays_around_NAT

https://webrtc.org/getting-started/turn-server

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StephanGuy 2y ago

as p2p apps become popular incompatible shit 'networks' will face tremendous pressure to become proper networks

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cloud fodder 2y ago

I wish. A majority of the world is on a mobile carriers network.. I just don't see how it would apply any pressure, can't even get people to use a desktop browser anymore.

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StephanGuy 2y ago

many mobile networks work p2p, mobiles also have wifi, starlink lol

there will be nsa datacenter peers to use, its what american tax victims pay for