How hard will it be to get information from your isp and your IP connection to either TOR or Nostr known relays?

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Very easy. ISPs can see connections into Tor if you don't use a VPN from your device.

so for us normies who run orbot, how are we to run a VPN along side that on a mobile device?

It's just another click, but ultimately it doesn't help much I think.

You --} ISP --} tor --} exit --} Nostr relay

OR

You --} ISP --} VPN --} tor --} exit --} Nostr relay

well in the first scenario your ISP sees you connected to a for node

tor*

VPNs have even more popular IPs. Especially if you use Nord or express.

Sounds like a big red flag in the VPN/ISP/DNS/Government log.

Is there any real way to privacy/anonymity?