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fyi. self-sovereignty is beyond finances. it’s the freedom of our bodies and minds too. regulating wjat femininity is based on your attractions is not being freedom loving or self sovereign. it’s hypocritical to want financial freedom for the masses but reject anything that’s outside of your political views and what you think a woman is.

Jeff Swann 2y ago

If all definitions are treated as subjective & abitrary then communication & cooperation completely break down. That is also one of the goals of corrupt politicians & other power hungry people, to shift what some hear when others are trying to communicate with them. This is why they always make up "dog whistles" & attempt to innoculate people against understanding or listening to certain ideas.

I also didn't say anything about what I was attracted to. I tend to prefer women who have some interests that are not traditionally feminine. But I think it's hard to argue that there is anything natural or healthy or sane or feminie about people promoting & celebrating the killing of their own offspring. Even if you think abortion should be allowed, celebrating it is absolutely horrible. There is nothing happy or positive about being in a situation where the "better" choice is to kill your unborn child.

The concept of "the mother" is the natural feminine archetype. That doesn't mean every woman has to want kids, but I do think there are people who want to manipulate women (and young people in general) into acting in ways that are very counter to their nature in order to corrupt & manipulate them. If you are out of touch with your own nature then you are much easier to lead around. "Sexual fluidity" & the idea that there are infinite genders is the new & more potent form of 2+2=5. When you can convince people to deny basic aspects of reality you can get them to do basically anything.

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Kevin's Bacon 2y ago

Actually subjective definitions are not antithetical to proper communication. Anarchy of language works. It is when people use force to manipulate language, when people deceive, that communication breaks down.

It is like the subjective theory of value, which when understood and respected, leads to regular prices and economic prosperity and equality. When it is misunderstood and when power to control other people's definitions of value is fought over, dysfunction ensues. Same with the fight for authority over language.

Jeff Swann 2y ago

That's fair... deception, or the effort to prevent or confuse translation, or the effort to promote names or labels that obfuscate certain activities rather than properly represent them is definitely at the heart of the problem. Censorship & other things definitely stem from that.

I guess what I meant is that the general/natural goal of communication & language in general is some sort of consensus and to be as objective as possible (even if it's very difficult or even impossible in some sense). The point is to translate or transfer the idea in my head to yours or vice versa with as little loss as possible.

Kevin's Bacon 2y ago

Yeah, totally. Discovering what is real, and what is actually meant by someone. That's kind of the best way to approach everything. I think some feminists do try to understand and take the right approach. I think that the name is confusing because we often get in our heads that benefiting one group or person must come at the expense of another, and that is true when it is done by force, but not true when it is done by voluntary action.

It is ok to be pro-white or pro-woman or to specifically seek to help out blacks, just as long as you don't privilege them with government favor or any other use of force to do it.

For example, the black American family has been systematically decimated by the incentives of the state. A movement to advance black people by voluntary exchange, mutual cooperation, self-reliance, and gun ownership, say something called a "Black Libertarian Movement," (God, please let that become a thing!) can easily be seen to be a good thing. A Marxist statist group aimed at using the state to force companies to prefer black workers and black narratives, on the other hand, is inherently racist because it uses force to treat blacks and all others differently. Such an evil organization might masquerade as something benign and call itself "Black Lives Matter."

Jeff Swann 2y ago

Black Guns Matter is a thing 😊

While there is definitely some benefit in meeting people where they are, I still generally think focusing on race or sex or ethnicity has negative long term consequences. Let's say we create an organization of some sort that is crafted to help a particular race or group of people, what happens when things improve or they have been helped? Even if it is privately funded the incentive is to manufacture more problems or exaggerate things in order to chase more funding. Maybe to some degree it is just inevitable, but if you create an organization that is more broadly directed toward promoting responsible gun ownership for everyone then there's no reason it can't continue to help any minority or poorly armed/educated group (Black Guns Matter is actually a great name in that sense).

Undisciplined 2y ago

I generally agree with this perspective, but part of Black Guns Matter is specifically educating people about the racist roots of gun control.

Jeff Swann 2y ago

And helping to teach & arm blacks from what I understand, but the play on words makes the organizarion something that could do more.

Kevin's Bacon 2y ago

Yeah, very good points. Oh, Black Guns Matter is a thing? Badass. Cheers!