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you can't build fast applications on the web
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mbarulli 11mo ago

This reply from nostr:nprofile1qyv8wue69uhk6mmwv9jzu6nzx56jucm0d5arsvpcxqqs6amnwvaz7tmwdaejumr0dsqzqvhpsfmr23gwhv795lgjc8uw0v44z3pe4sg2vlh08k0an3wx3cj9zs5e6s to my suggestion to release a web version of Damus Notedeck left me puzzled …

I firmly believe that if we do not bring Nostr to the web, and the web to Nostr (thanks nostr:nprofile1qy88wumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmv9uq3qamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wd4hk6tcqyqyw4hjsmaga5jjz7hwqgh34kdceqtsx665q2g2mas7h9hrg0n9sgfvzdyk , nostr:nprofile1qyxhwumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmvqywhwumn8ghj7mn0wd68yttsw43zuam9d3kx7unyv4ezumn9wsqzqpeumqmt24aflhp2vtp8xue88ksv2448qzrk8alsu2ml9r482n7k9yltxc , … for covering this part), Nostr will never succeed.

Nostr web clients might not be as snappy as native apps, but are those milliseconds so important?

/cc nostr:nprofile1qyxhwumn8ghj7e3h0ghxjme0qyd8wumn8ghj7urewfsk66ty9enxjct5dfskvtnrdakj7qpql2vyh47mk2p0qlsku7hg0vn29faehy9hy34ygaclpn66ukqp3afqta478g nostr:nprofile1qyghwumn8ghj7vf5xqhxvdm69e5k7tcpz4mhxue69uhkzet8d9ejuat50phjummwv5hsqgpm7rrrljungc6q0tuh5hj7ue863q73qlheu4vywtzwhx42a7j9n5zgwjy3 nostr:nprofile1qy88wumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmv9uq3qamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wd4hk6tcqyprqcf0xst760qet2tglytfay2e3wmvh9asdehpjztkceyh0s5r9cpvx58v

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Vitor Pamplona 11mo ago

The main issue is that you shouldn't expect your preferred client to ship everywhere. We have seen how much a multiplatform code damages the quality of the delivery. There are fast Nostr client on the Web. They are just built completely different from what native folks want to do. And that's fine.

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MK Fain 11mo ago

nostr:nprofile1qydhwumn8ghj76r9de5x7atnv5h8xmmrd9skctmjv4kxz7gqypup59f8q40hfs0hqgc0zquyvzdng4y032m2pfk25aqztqnlnldw2ysr5rp is a Nostr web app you may like! It's different from Notedeck, but I agree #Nostr on the web is going to be necessary for mainstream adoption alongside native mobile apps.

You can try it here: https://Ditto.pub

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fiatjaf 11mo ago

What do you mean by "bring Nostr to the web"? There are dozens of web clients. https://nostrapps.com/#microblogging#web

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mbarulli 11mo ago

Sure, plenty of web clients, but most of them are just X clones.

(While Notedeck has a unique set of festures)

To me "bring Nostr to the web" means having as many web app as possible exploiting the full Nostr potential (video chats, communities, eshops, repositories, online forms, ...).

These are online services we grew accustomed to, but we gave up data ownership and much more to the walled garden hosting them.

I believe Nostr is the way to fall in love again with the web.

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jb55 11mo ago

notedeck is a new kind browser for nostr apps, maybe that is the confusion

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calvadev⚑️ 10mo ago

Web apps for all those types of services you listed exist:

video chats - hivetalk.org

communities - flotilla.social , chachi.chat

eshops - shopstr.store , plebeian.market , cypher.space , conduitbtc.com

repositories - gitworkshop.dev

forms - formstr.app

Always happy to see more, though!

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jb55 11mo ago

> are those milliseconds so important

yes. but most of the time loading notes on the web takes many seconds instead of <0.1ms like on notedeck. the psycological effect is real.

the main issue is that the web can't have note caches that are that good, and even when they do the caches are duplicates across apps.

with notedeck all of your most used apps can share the same cache that is loaded in the page-cache, so that its in-memory even if the application is closed.