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Saying all data is 1's and 0's is about as true as all matter is just atomic particles. If you think the value of any combination of either is irrelevant, try eating Mercury.

Bill Cypher 4mo ago

Go look up steganography.

You cannot know what is in my 1s and 0s unless I teach you the encoding.

Just like human language is incomprehensible until you learn it.

This means you cannot ever prevent me from sharing data anywhere or anyway that I want if I'm determined.

Key concept to bitcoin can't be stopped, but somehow turn it around and all the bitcoiners think they can stop bitcoin now.

If you were right that we could filter then the math is clear that we can all be stopped from using bitcoin at all. The same mathematic principle is at work.

Math doesn't care about your feelings.

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DagzTagz 4mo ago

Correct

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JackTheMimic 4mo ago

I think you either misinterpreted what I meant by this or perhaps inferred based on other posts. All data is not equal in the real world, just like all matter is not equal. They are made of the same parts but have different effects when combined differently.

I use Steganography for some of my password management, I am aware of a lot of techniques surrounding data. Thank you for the input.

Bill Cypher 4mo ago

I agree. My point is that you cannot know for sure what data is more or less important until the person who created the data tells you.

If you use steganography you understand that principle, but haven't generalized the knowledge that it applies to data filtering also.

JackTheMimic 4mo ago

Listen, I know your stance on filtering. I do not agree because of an ideological difference not a technical one. I do not spend my time acquiescing to the state just because I know that their will be imposed on me. I resist. I apply this same principle to data on my node. I hold monetary transaction data as sacred and pass along the message. I do not do the same with non-monetary data. It is my code, my machine. I care not for the futility or ends because the means and ends are my own.

I apply steganographic methods to data systems meant for those data. I do not barge into Russia and demand that they let me write my english words. Even if I hack their language and type Вутсч as a protest, I am defiling their language. I hold myself morally responsible for that. I know others may not but their conscience is not mine to listen to. Hiding my data among MY property is my perogative.

Much like the allegory of the little girl returning starfish to the sea but unable to save them all, I still try because that is my nature.

Bill Cypher 4mo ago

You can run so many filters you need more CPU than a monero miner to keep up with block validation for all I care.

My issue is that making it about filters doesn't fix the real issue of implanting illegal data to make node running illegal. It is a bandaid on a bullet wound.

Yet mechanic and Luke are running around telling everyone how great bandaids are.

I want people to understand the real issue so that a real fix can be implemented.

All the knots vs core look at my filter, filter or do nothing false dichotomy is a circus sideshow distracting from the real fix.

WaffleWater 4mo ago

It seems like your argument is steg tools exist therefore we shouldn't need to use steg tools.

Bill Cypher 4mo ago

My argument is that steg tools are a working real work example that proves data filtering a motivated opponent is impossible.

WaffleWater 4mo ago

OK, so how is that relevant to the filter discussion? Is your point that because a motivated actor can sneak hidden data around a filter onto someone elses computer that filters are somehow useless?

Bill Cypher 4mo ago

Exactly. Why are you taking on the risks of adding all that filtering complexity if you stand 0 chance of modifying the blocks you are going to store?

Every line of code is a potential breaking bug or remote exploit so we do know what risks you take.

WaffleWater 4mo ago

The code has been there for quite a while and didn't seem to be a problem until Citrea decided it was. Anyway I can make it more difficult to spam the blockchain with kiddie porn I'm going to do. Maybe I can't stop the seriously motivated steg type people but at least I can prevent the average spammer/perv. Open the floodgates to plain as day CP and no normal person will ever consider running a node. I wouldn't.