Tried to onboard a new pleb

40000 sat set up fee w nostr:npub1xnf02f60r9v0e5kty33a404dm79zr7z2eepyrk5gsq3m7pwvsz2sazlpr5 got me feelin cheap

Went with Muun instead

What did I sacrifice?

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Not much just in high fee environment like right now he will be paying higher fees of he needs to transact

This

Your dignity

Jk lol better than noicoining

🥴

I had a feeling

Fees will be much higher w each tx on Muun. Esp in high fee env

W Zeus you bite the bullet on channel setup then get cheap txs on LN

How do I explain why this is so to the new pleb?

It’s the architecture of Muun. Complexity hidden away but w each LN transaction you actually make an onchain tx too - defeating the entire point in high fee envs

They’re called submarine swaps

So how do you move the lightning balance to on-chain balance w Zeus?

Close a channel or use an external swap service like Boltz

The setup fee on Zeus will be cheaper when/if fees go down, right?

Yep, as low as 10k

I thought so, that’s what it was when I set my dad up 🫡

Seriously, first tx out of Muun might be in the ballpark of 50k sats at this fee rate

Your friend might be screwed if he wants to transact and fees don’t come down 😬

They always come down right?

How did you manage to set up cheaply with muun? The fees are always wild when I try to use it.. been much happier with Phoenix

It cost $2 at the time

I gotta try phoenix