what is the difference between a nation and a race?
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See my other response regarding John Jay's articulation of the concept please.
I saw it but it doesn’t answer my question. Your post just suggests that America isn’t a nation at all
Modern day "America" is increasingly a witches brew of incompatible nations vying for political and economic power of the state.
That's why it has so much division.
So it isn’t a nation?
The actual American nation does not include everyone living in the border of the territory under the political control of the U.S. government.
For example, the Kurds are a nation, but they have no nation-state to protect them.
Therefore they suffer.
You’re not answering my question. Is the US a nation?
By "US", do you specifcally mean the United States of America?
Yes
No, that is a political entity also known as a nation-state.
There are nations with and without their own nation-states.
The Kurds are an example of a nation without a state. The Jews are a nation formerly without one, but now with one since 1948.
Where is the nation of Kurds located?
Can the term race be substituted for nation here?
No.
What is the difference between race and nation when it comes to the Kurds?
Same as it is for any other nation, it's one component in addition to several others.
What is the difference between race and nation when it comes to any other nation?
These questions are becoming increasingly lame and repetitive, just rephrasing the same question.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you don't meet one or more of John Jay's six elements of being an American.
Thus these dumb questions are just a lame attempt to "deconstruct" the concept of a nation, in the best of the gay race communism tradition.
You’re taking yourself in circles. So far you have established that America is not a nation based on a retarded definition. Nice appeal to authority by the way. You can’t articulate the difference between a race and a nation. And you can’t tell me what nation your ancestors belonged to before America.
It feels repetitive and annoying for you because it illustrates the retarded logic you follow and your stubbornness to be right.
You most definitely can change nations. The ancestors of Americans belonged to European nations before they even knew the United States existed. A lot of Americans don’t even remember who their ancestors were or where they came from.
What you stubbornly refuse to admit is that what is referred to by the Kurds and Israelis as “nation,” can also simply be referred to as just their race or ethnic group.
The definition of nation:
a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.
The definition of country:
a nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory.
The definition of territory:
an area of land under the jurisdiction of a ruler or state.
The definition of nationalism:
identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.
So a nation IS a particular country or territory. A country/territory is unified by a government. And nationalism is identification with that country/territory. What makes it a nation/country/territory IS the government. So nationalism is pride in being ruled by a specific government. It is the preference of your ruler over another ruler. So yes nationalism is Stockholm syndrome. I can’t make it any simpler for you than that.
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Race is one aspect of nationhood, see the "shared ancestry" element.
If the people in the US do not hold a shared ancestry, then the US is not a nation according to the criteria of this “founder?”
It's not a single nation anymore, that is correct.
So what is nationalism in the US?
It depends on who you ask and how clear a sense of their own identity that person has.
I think have articulated my own identity as an American national, with a massive hat tip to John Jay, clear.
There are a lot of people living here that don't even know what a nation actually is, much less what the six elements of being an American are.
I can't answer for them regardless.
How can you identify as an American national when you have proven that America is not a nation?
There is the "America" the nation (comprised of the _actual_ American people), and America the country (the territory) that the American nation occupies, along with several other nations and diasporas.
They are distinct things and concepts.
I’m going to rewrite your note and substitute the definition of nation that YOU provided. Since the American nation doesn’t exist, the term nothing will be used as a substitute,
There is the "nothing" the nation (comprised of the _actual_ American people), and nothing the country (the territory) that the nothing nation occupies, along with several other nations and diasporas.
This note is complete nonsense based on your definitions of a nation.
The American nation does exist. It is a distinct people (not to be confused with a country, or a nation-state, etc etc), as I have been patiently trying to explain for over a dozen posts.
If you're unable to parse the concept because of some prior miseducation or an unacknowledged conflict with your worldview, sorry but can't help you there.
You have made all the claims here. You said that the American nation consists of a group of people of the same race, culture, and language.
Where is this American nation? Who are the members of this nation?
The nation is located within the United States of America.
I have already answered who the members of this nation are, refer to post referencing the six elements of being American.
Is the American nation exclusive to the United States of America? Can the American nation exist in Europe for example?
No, there can be diaspora populations of the American nation in Europe or other parts of the world, just like there are diaspora populations of the Chinese nation in most corners of the world.
Can someone change his nation?
Because I know who and what I am, where I come from, how and for exaxtly whom America was originally founded for, and the discernment to know the difference between America the nation, the nation-state, the country and its territories.
I am going to do the same thing with your note here. I will substitute the word nothing for America since it is not a nation according to YOUR definition.
Because I know who and what I am, where I come from, how and for exaxtly whom nothing was originally founded for, and the discernment to know the difference between nothing the nation, the nation-state, the country and its territories.
Based on your own criteria, your statements make no sense. Consider the possibility that this founder’s definition may not be useful.