Would certainly be nice to be able to rate/order our own feeds though. Zaps help with that tremendously, if we can order a feed by zaps sent/received that would be strong signal.

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Yeah sure, but simple filtering and ordering is not algorithmic in my view. Its just filtering. And it exist some filters already nostrgram.

Agreed. I would use the term 'visibility algorithm' here.

If the client is merely ordering the note flow of a selected account, then that wouldn't be a visibility algorithm. A visibility algorithm would be ordering the note flow from many accounts, where the sorting can be used to boost or deboost certain accounts.

Much better term there, agreed.

The algorithm is like the fiat system

Facts 😅

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If the algorithm is being run by someone else, absolutely. If the algorithm is being run by me, only on my client, merely to control how what I'm seeing is ultimately filtered? Well then I'm thinking I want to do that.

a filter is literally an algo

When you brush your teeth, shower, do all the other prep that you do each day, that routine is an algo. Just because something is an algo doesn't automatically mean it is bad or evil. Centralized algos that allow other actors to control how you see the world, are evil. Personally controlled algos that let you properly interact with the world, whether those algos be code you run for yourself, or algos run by your brain, are necessary, and can be good.

If you think all computer algorithms are bad, try to operate while only being on public relays, and only ever looking at global. If the data feed isn't controlled, you will be overwhelmed. If it isn't controlled by you, you will also be manipulated.

I'm realizing now I might have assumed where you were going with this, and if so, my bad. Points still stand.

'try operate while only being on public relays, and only ever looking at global'

i do that but with the iris algo

oh lol. I'd zap you if you had that set up.

Technically true, I'll rephrase it, in sense of what people mean when they talk about "the algorithm", which is much more sophisticated, used on sites like twitter, Youtube etc. which controls what people experience, based on their own data, and behavior that are manipulated without any transparency. As Seeker say, personally controlled algos are fine, but centrally controlled ones are evil. Maybe there is a better word for what I mean.

My bad.

No problem. We're all trying to figure out what we want in this space, and we've all been burned by the ones we're coming from. Discussion like this are likely gonna be common over the near future.

By at leaast owning our identity and data, we can apply our own algorithms and make them smarter, consciously to tune the signal. That will be sick.

Yup. Visibility algorithms are bad, because they can and will be manipulated for gains.

i manipulate mine all the time

Always best is to create your own sorting.

Lists does this and shows only the accounts you select; hence no algorithm.