You’ve been stacking KYC free stats for 8 years.

The year is 2030.

The median house price in your city /state is currently US$2.8 million due to rampant inflation.

You now have enough 🌽 to purchase a home!

Have you ACTUALLY thought about how to purchase this home anon???

You won’t be able to get a loan against it or sell it on a CEX or one of these new mainstream BTC lending platforms. They want detailed transaction history plus AI powered chain ⛓️‍💥 surveillance has become elite as fuck.

US$2.8 million in cuck buck swaps for BTC over a short time period will raise multiple flags using platforms like Robotsats or Bisq. Fiat transfers to your bank account will be limited to $40 in the year 2030. 2.8 million divided by 40 = 60,000 individual deposits…

Are you hoping that someone will accept your Bitcoin for a direct property swap? Are you hoping that a house comes up for sale in the exact location you want to live with a seller willing to accept KYC free Bitcoin?

Are you going to spin up 2,400 $1000 Walmart gift cards on Bitrefill and sell them on Craigslist to raise fiat?

Are you hoping that Bitcoin will be so widely accepted in the future you won’t have to worry about KYC vs NON-KYC spending and borrowing?

What’s the plan anon?

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Good questions. The KYC free Sats are probably not useable for buying a home but probably usable to buy 20 years of groceries with peer2peer tap of your Smartphone.

As you said, making small purchases is much easier but I fear that many Bitcoiners don’t actually have a plan on how to make the ‘buying a house’ in the future dream come alive - especially with a massive KYC free freedom stack. I’m sure there will be tools and there will be ways but it’s worth thinking about now.

Thinking ahead and making a plan is never a bad idea. 🙌🏻

Good points. I think that will depend on the country. By 2030, some may allow non-KYC bitcoin to be used for purchasing a house, for example.

I hope so too but the current route we are on is full of surveillance, tightening laws and restrictions on financial freedom.

Exactly the right questions I keep on asking as well. So far, the only satisfactory answer I receive and give myself is this, let's call it the nostr:npub1s05p3ha7en49dv8429tkk07nnfa9pcwczkf5x5qrdraqshxdje9sq6eyhe scenario:

That the world is bound to 'hyperbitcoinize' one day, if we the people keep pushing and use it as money in our communities. And that this deflationary model reflecting a truly free market will eventually become so successful that it's like comparing West and East Berlin in the 1980s, and the East/Fiat will dissolve naturally. Within the new free & conscious communities, the transaction history of your BTC won't be used to control the flow of money. Utopia, aye?! Because something will need to break or render useless the use of violence by the state. What will it be? A wave of awakening? That's what I work for.

What if everybody is just fully transparent with their KYCed stale asset BTC in a fiat world? Likely that they will be slowly taxed away from most people eventually. If you spin the status quo forward in a linear way, I think we'd end up where you described.

But there'll always be unforeseeable change along the way. We make that change.

It’s hard to crystal ball this out 2 years from now, let alone 5 or 10 but it’s worth keeping one eye on.

The builders in this space will always find a way to create tools to future proof the stack but unfortunately I see the path getting more and more difficult (in the short to medium term).

But as you said, I’m only looking at the linear path we are on now - not hyperbitcoinization.

Until we arrive at BTC nirvana, I think that plebs should start planning on how they will use their monster stacks of freedom 🌽 to make multi million dollar purchases in a high adversary/ highly surveilled short to medium term future.

Agreed!

In year 2030 Bitcoin might as well be so well adopted that you don’t have to worry. But I am glad you picked up this topic.

My opinion is hard to swallow for some bitcoiners, but that’s why I encourage to have both and if possible near equal stacks.

You never now which will play out and have it like 90-10 might mean you’ll end up pulling the short rope.

In my jurisdiction it’s doable to “gift” a inner family member with basically anything with 0% tax. I can simply send my wife my Bitcoin.

So one way to legalize income might be this. But still problematic if coins were “tainted” in the past before you ever bought them.

Also, just today Czech president signed a law with 0% tax if HODL’d more than 3 years… so immidieately there are offers to “swap” coin for a little premium if you need to liquidate.

Also - you can always build a new house and pay contractors in Bitcoin which is what I aim to do in 2026-2027.

I am confident that future is bright.

Non-KYC or KYC, what’s the difference for purchasing? That makes no sense to me. In a Bitcoin economy privacy should be the standard, not the contrary.

It should be the standard, but right now and in the short term it is not.

If you wanted to transfer US$2.8 Million to a Bitcoin friendly bank to take out a loan to purchase a house right now with KYC free Bitcoin, with no transaction history you would have a very hard time. If it was cucked 🌽 you would have a very easy time.

If you sent US$2.8 million to a centralised exchange to swap it for Fiat to purchase your home, again you would have a hard time doing it with freedom 🌽 compared to cucked 🌽.

It would make a huge difference right now and possibly an even bigger difference in 2 to 5 years.

When we reach hyperbitcoinization things will obviously get easier on a Bitcoin standard but until then if anyone is hoping to use freedom 🌽 for multi million dollar purchases you are going to have to have a solid plan using a list of options that are pretty skinny right now.

With that line of thought, miners cannot buy houses with the earned Bitcoin? There is no transaction history there. Also, there is no need to exchange for fiat to buy a house, unless the seller does not accept it.

Mined bitcoin would be a slightly different proposition.

99% of people selling homes around the world only accept fiat.

If you can find a home seller who is selling a house matching your exact needs in the exact location you want to live who will accept freedom 🌽 you are in a great position! Win / win.

I would rent 😅

Not the dumbest idea! It’s easier to come up with rent repayments every week than it is to cough up millions using KYC free BTC. Keep the difference stashed away in sats!

Great question and interesting answers so far 🤠🤙 having two stacks seems to be reasonable

Rent.

But also, what's the play if you've decided not to declare ownership of bitcoin yet suddenly no longer need to work... Yet are suspiciously able to buy clothing, food and rent?

I mean, I guess this won't matter if the IRS stops existing, but assuming it still does?

Thoughts?

So many options when you have money. Even “maxis” are not 100% non-KYC bitcoin, be real. If you are smart enough to accumulate millions of dollars of bitcoin you are smart enough to figure out how to spend it. And if you’re not hire a lawyer or someone who can figure it out for you. Also why buy a $2m house when uour $2m bitcoin will be worth $10m in 5-10yrs amd your house maybe $3m tops?

Also all the bitcoiners from 2009-2015 have already been down this road if anything it is probably easier now than before when “it was only used by drug dealers and terrorist” era.

A lot of people on Nostr publicly admit they are 100% KYC free with their stack.

Many, many people want a house. This is why they stack sats.

I’ve never heard a good method of actually buying the house in 5-10 years time when the world will be more likely to be more adversarial.

It’s good to get lawyers or experts involved but I’m interested in HOW they are actually going to do it.

I don’t think people have thought it through and I think they could potentially be fucking themselves over in the medium to long term.

Every answer so far has centred around ‘hoping’ that things get easy which is a risky plan when you are talking millions.

Riskier to be broke and can’t afford a house 😂

Maybe there are some 100% non KYC bitcoin but in reality most people have other assets to borrow against or stocks or retirement accounts that you use to buy the house before the bitcoin anyway since bitcoin will outperform all your other assets. Don’t be afraid to be bitcoin rich.

A lot of people are stacking sats to buy a house and they are all Bitcoin. They haven’t thought about how to execute on the plan though. I’m interested in the how.

How are you going to use KYC free bitcoin that you haven’t mined to purchase a multi million dollar home.

Not using other assets as collateral.

Using KYC free bitcoin only.

A: you don't, unless you plan to buy out of your tax jurisdiction & the country you're moving to doesn't report to the IRS.

There are trusts and other ways you just need to hire a lawyer to figure it out for you.

Mosack Fonseca

Probably best not to use the Panama papers law firm 😂

Don’t call Saul Goodman either

Rudy Giuliani then 🤝

🤣

My point is don't trust your life to a lawyer.

No but seeking legal advice from a lawyer is probably better success rate then asking the ppl on the internet for legal advice.

That's just cope, they know they have only one choice.

If it were me, I’d hire a lawyer and accountant to get expert advice.