Leaders don't need to be government. Governance does not equate to interfering. We can cooperate to fix our roads in a town hall with an elected arbiter.
We don't need a government for that.
Splitting hairs maybe. But the difference is huge
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No one is talking about leaders. You brought that into the conversation. We are talking about the fact that when humans get together and create a civilization it always comes with the formation of governance structures. Whether people agree with it or not is irrelevant. It’s an emergent property of all civilizations, especially advanced ones.
Libertarian fantasy is not reality.
It would also be nice if everyone was beautiful and smart.