If you have something I need to live, is it a negotiation on price? Who has leverage? Sounds like a paywall for something you know I need. Surely you can agree with that?

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So if we have something that you need to live, we should give it to you without a price, ignoring the cost?

Absolutely not, it would operate just like co ops operate now. My power company is a co op.

I love cooperatives. But just because they don't focus on earning additional profits that they can provide to shareholders doesn't mean they don't try to lower their costs and manage their business operations in the exact same way as any other type of business entity.

Unfortunately we disagree there and there is mountains of historical evidence to back up that “for profit” leads to exploitation.

I think we're just talking past each other now. I'm talking about cooperatives, you might be talking about for profit companies, I can't even tell anymore.

The best way to prevent any change is to keep using the old language of debt based systems.

Moving on.