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That is a total misconception of the scriptures.

The scriptures are the revelation of God.

Tradition is the gatekeeping of such revelation.

That includes the practices we must observe, as ordered by God Himself, and taught by His Son, of the same substance as God, therefore God Himself.

The changes proposed in the 16th century were based on self-righteousness and misconceptions.

Every public demonstration of such mistakes were refused by the heretic protestant leaders such as Luther and Calvin. And more heresies were added to the first ones.

That is what you live now.

James A Lewis 2y ago

I'll offer some correction here. Holy Tradition is the revelation of God, and the Scriptures are a subset of such.

Out of oral Tradition (note the capital "T") came written Tradition, which we call the Bible. Jesus himself instructed the apostles, who were sent to baptize all the nations, and to that end did they employ others so write, some writing for themselves (St. John in his gospel and Sts. Peter and Paul in epistles).

It is the Church that made the Bible, not the Bible that makes a church.

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Fabiano 2y ago

That is intellectual honest and a fair correction exactly because my wording made it look like the letters written produced the tradition.

For a catechetical teaching, I should not have offered that inference.

James A Lewis 2y ago

Hey, that's what conversation is for: spurring each other on toward greater fidelity to Truth

nobody 2y ago

This is exactly the type of difference that makes ecumenism difficult.

Fabiano 2y ago

The book "History of heresies and their refutations", by Saint Alphonse-Marie de Ligório, is the best source anyone could aim for.

Fabiano 2y ago

I came for an honest investigative conversation.

The pal has been using ChatGPT because he can't defend his unhinged practices by himself.

Go read "History of heresies and their refutations", by Saint Alphonse-Marie de Ligório.

Now I take my leave.

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James A Lewis 2y ago

It's not even edited! Hahaha!

Fabiano 2y ago

If something be of use at least we would have a good exercise of correcting the robot. But all of it is disjuncted and fruitless.

James A Lewis 2y ago

Haha! Tell me about it! Ecumenism is supposed to be the members of the One Church coming together, not many churches. It's a sad reality that Christians are not all united in one cohesive body, but we instead chose to segregate ourselves into opinionated groups.

Fabiano 2y ago

It only takes intellectual honesty.

James A Lewis 2y ago

Indeed. That's all it took me. It'll be ten years on Thanksgiving day.