> Lightning receiver privacy is widely known to be notoriously bad without blinded paths

People who say that are notoriously wrong

> No one is arguing that amounts aren't hidden. We're talking receiver privacy which is the pubkey being exposed.

The receiver pubkey doesn't receive any money. The pubkey that *does* receive money is *not* exposed to the sender. Well, not in lightning. In monero, it is.

> If that was true, blinded paths wouldn't be needed

They aren't

> and good practice wouldn't be to coinjoin after closing a channel

That is good practice because it's an on-chain transaction, and good privacy on-chain involves coinjoining. It has nothing to do with supposedly exposing yourself via your invoice, which is not a thing. You invented it. Or heard it from someone misinformed.

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>"They aren't"

Then why are you always talking about blinded paths as a privacy improvement?

>"That is good practice because it's an on-chain transaction, and good privacy on-chain involves coinjoining. It has nothing to do with supposedly exposing yourself via your invoice, which is not a thing. You invented it. Or heard it from someone misinformed."

You're putting words in my mouth. Show me where I said "exposing yourself via your invoice". As for the rest 👇

"On-Chain Footprint: Opening and closing LN channels necessitate on-chain transactions that are publicly visible and analysable. This creates a "digital fingerprint" that may be used to link on-chain and LN activity....

Public Channel Announcements: Most LN nodes publicly announce their channels to facilitate routing, including the channel's funding transaction. This can link a user's LN node with their on-chain activity....

Invoice Data & Receiver Privacy: LN invoices contain the receiver's public key, and invoices using unannounced channels also include routing hints exposing channel details. This significantly compromises receiver privacy."

"In the Channel Coinjoins chapter we look into the on-chain connection to Lightning, where channel opens and channel closes can harm the privacy of a Lightning node."

"Funding and channel close transactions can be used to link UTXOs to lighting nodes. Not even private channels are protected from this leakage, as sometimes they can publish information on-chain that reveals that the transaction was related to lightning network activity."

https://massmux.org/p/lightning-network-privacy-pros-and

https://lightningprivacy.com/en/introduction

https://www.voltage.cloud/blog/lightning-network-privacy-explainer

> why are you always talking about blinded paths as a privacy improvement?

They help prevent the sender from knowing what routing nodes you're connected to

> You're putting words in my mouth. Show me where I said "exposing yourself via your invoice".

Sorry, I retract that part