So true. It’s on sidechain though, it’s really convenient when it comes to saving fees, and atomic swap on boltz or swapping to USDt only with Jade. I love it too⚡️

Bcash works well too lol

Liquid is just a bunch of IOUs

Bitcoiners who are complaining about the so called difficulty of LN with solutions like Phoenix or Breez existing are strange.

It is not complicated to handle a deposit limit on an account even for a grandma

Fiat also has 0 fees where I live

I haven't had the time to look into either lately. I've been more concerned with the abuse and attacks on the main net.

I set up and ran the first lightning software release of Eclair. But quickly realized it would be a while before lightning would be fully usable, if at all.

I'm sure they will eventually get it all worked out. There's actually no rush. They just need to clean up and purify the mechanics and function of THE! Bitcoin protocol..🧡😊

It's funny the world of Bitcoiners, Bitcoiners attack other Bitcoiners for using scalability solutions they don't like.

I don't attack anyone for it, I like Lightning, I like Liquid, I like Fedimint, I like Cashu, just each solution has different use cases.

Post: And I'm liking ARK a lot.

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At the end of the day, you do what works best for you. People will always have something to complain about. It's so tiresome

I like it when people find something that works well for them and understands the risks. Good for you. The haters are gonna hate (hate hate hate hate) but I recommend you shake it off (shake shake shake shake)

Totally agree, as long as you understand how it works, the risks and trade-offs, it's a great tool!

Liquid does get overlooked, Fedimint is a similar decentralized protocol. Has its own pros/cons. There are no "perfect solutions" just tradeoffs.

Been learning about Cashu and Fedimint lately, looks interesting.

I have recently started to use Aqua and Liquid too.

There's no substitute for just diving in and trying these things out for yourself. ⚡

Question is how would fees look like when the traffic is similar as on LN

The struggle is Liquid is not Bitcoin. It’s a multisig with a completely separate blochain and a hope that you can get actual Bitcoin out when you ask, and the fact that you have to ask is the key problem. Lightning you do not. Doesn’t mean Liquid is evil, but people need to understand you can easily be rugged.

I love Liquid ❤️ After every DCA I withdraw into lightning then swap into liquid. Once I have a sizeable utxo I send it to cold storage.

I have saved loads on fees, I only make 1 on chain transaction every couple months.

In the end no one can choose the sacrifices you make but yourself.

No one can tell you otherwise.

payment channels are a distraction. payment channels are never going to be the general purpose scaling solution for everyone. use sidechains to hold yourself over until rollups are completed.

I tried aqua and thought, if I end up generating liquid transactions every time I use it whether it's for lightning invoices or not, why don't people just use liquid instead for now? then it reminded me of ETH sidechains. they were sold as a temporary solution until rollups are completed and people were very happy with that.

the ETH people played with state channels for like 10 minutes and decided that they were bullshit, then they built a sidechain similar to liquid that saw massive popularity, and now they are working on rollups. you can follow the same path.

A mechanism to create Lightning channels using Liquid is possible. A big LSP, or other node could create a bridge to the wider Lightning network. Thus, the user can have lower open/close fees.