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To add, better to try and fail than not even be allowed to try. And that is root of the entire problem. Self rule is not even 'permitted'. And as such, the system is that of nothing more than slavery.

Silner 1y ago

I tend towards thinking the root of the problem is psychological. A lot of people are not happy, but most people are comfortable.

Historically, revolutions have happened when #people were desperate and in the #USA, and here in the #UK, no one is desperate enough to take the risk, and it is a #risk, let's be honest.

If you look at a country like Belarus, they have a sharp tilt on a small playing field, so most people can see how out of whack it is .

Here we have a small tilt on a large table that still gives the people higher up an enormous #advantage, but it's harder to see in the middle where most people are.

Sorry I use so many #metaphors, but it helps me to clarify my #thoughts as much as anything else :)

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Joel Walbert 1y ago

There is no risk changing mindset and re-evaluating one's relationship with the state. There is no risk in refusing to participate in corrupt (s)election rituals. The only risk is to the state in losing consensus. And when enough change their mindset, the state dies. Parasites cannot live without a host. Time to stop being the host. But most cant even bring themselves to stop choosing a pre-selected ruler, which involves doing literally nothing.

Silner 1y ago

Yeah, but doing nothing has always been the most comfortable thing to do. That's #human #nature. It was in our #DNA long before we had #civilization at all.

It takes a really big incentive to break that inertia. In human #history that has usually involved extremes like starvation.

Joel Walbert 1y ago

You miss my point. Voting is the most direct way one supports the system. People bitch about the system, the candidates, then take time to participate in the sham. If a person cannot break that addiction, which involves staying home and doing nothing, I would never expect a person do do something that would involve actually doing something that may have negative consequences. As you said, they are comfortable. And uncomfortable is utterly horrifying to most. Look how many were boldly saying fuck the vax. Until the day their boss said get it or be fired. Well, I made that hard decision. And as a consequence I will never work my career of choice ever again and have fallen into abject poverty. I could have stayed comfortable making 70k a year. But there are more important things than comfort. Comfort got us here. It cant get us out

Silner 1y ago

Yeah I see your position. Luckily I was always working from home, so I didn't face that dilemma. I never really cared either way about the jab anyway. I never believed either side, since neither presented me with the kind of #evidence I needed.

there are a lot of cases where I can't join either camp. Most of the time in life we just don't know but in that position most people find it easier to jump to one side of the fence or the other. I'm comfortable with uncertainty, always have been.

Joel Walbert 1y ago

Most 'camps' are cults. You dont ever want to fall into one of the pre-determined groups. Once you do, you are only allowed certain thought. Its all hivemind. Life doesnt operate in perfect little boxes, neither should the mind.