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Because your identity is too wrapped up in this belief. I’ve already explained this. You as an individual define yourself as X. That means there is no way of presenting facts or giving you information or anything of that nature that will shift your perspective. It’s just not possible.

The world is rid of a vile disgusting individual with wretched beliefs and your family is tasked with the endeavor so they will feel shame and sorrow for creating you and subsequently being forced to take you from this world. They would know your true nature and hopefully decided to leave this world themselves because of the thing they created and the trauma you put others through including them.

Violence is the way we handle abusers. Brutal and unmitigated violence.

“The choices of rape victims” how about the choices of rapists. There wouldn’t be rape victims if we turned you all into eunuchs at the first sign of this type of mental illness. You realize what rape is right? Rape is definitionally something that happens by force. That’s absent of choice you fucking moron. That’s why “the choices of rape victims” aren’t my priority. I’m looking at the people doing the forcing. How is this something I have to explain to you.

It would be better if there weren’t victims. You keep trying to get me to villainize victims (for some reason—you probably actually feel deep guilt and shame that you will inevitably have to deal with).

The options in the original scenario were the child be dead or the child be raped.

If we are expanding the question. It would be best if all pedophiles were dead. All rapists. All violent criminals.

There’s literally zero consequences to just continuously executing you people. Society just gets better and better exponentially and there are no down sides. Eventually there won’t be anymore and no one will want to do it because of the consequences.

You feel so free to express your depraved behavior because you haven’t faced any consequences.

Okay, my identity is wrapped up in my beliefs and no matter what facts and perspective you give I will never change. I love talking with people like that. Talking with someone is a great opportunity to practice articulating my thoughts, and it's a great opportunity to figure out and test why some people disagree with me. Why is the fact that I won't change or whatever a problem for you?

So you say my parents are sad and kill themselves too. How is the world any different now that it's missing one vile and disgusting individual with wretched beliefs and now that it's missing the two parents of that individual? Now some store is missing it's cashier or whatever we are saying my job is, and now nobody is living in the same city, town, or apartment building as me. What's the actual effect of that? You don't have to argue with me any more? Do you think my ideas will suddenly stop being correct if I'm dead and if everyone around me is dead? Are you just so insecure that this is the only way you vould ever feel better? Or is there some other consequence you are expecting?

Who have I tramatized besides you? I hate to talk too much about my personal life, but my family certainly isn't tramatized. My sexual attraction is none of my family's business. What are the signs of mental illness? Being a Jew? Growing up with the wrong cultural background? No offense if you believe in the extermination of all Jews of course, I wouldn't hold that against you. I'm just trying to understand how you would ever manage to catch a pedophile like me unless I'm stupid enough to rape some kid.

I feel so free to express my depraved beliefs because the only consequence is that I get to have interesting conversations with people who disagree with me. Our right to speak freely without one of us being killed is a law of nature, not a privelege granted by society.

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Oh because you’re a sick depraved individual that should either realize that about yourself and work to change it or be dead. You’re a burden on society just by existing. You bring everything in the world down by not changing. You’re a cancer. The entire idea of having a civilization and civilization is about protecting women and children and you are a predator of children so you should correct that about yourself and because you refuse you must die.

There is one less person that aims to victimize children. And your parents failed to raise you with any values so they should be dead as well.

Your ideas are already and have always been incorrect. They’ll be incorrect no matter who says they’re correct. They’ll be incorrect no matter who is alive or who is dead.

If you all die the world would be better of. Like if magically at the count of five you all disappeared completely the remaining people in the world would be better off because you are gone.

You haven’t traumatized me in the least. I just know you’re a bad person who should correct their behavior. You are constantly and consistently traumatizing yourself though.

You should confess to your family. You should confess to everyone you know in fact. See how people that care about you respond to you. Maybe someone will be able to explain to you why your mentality is wrong better than I can. Or maybe there’s a reason you wouldn’t do that? Maybe you’re worried about people’s responses? Hmmm why could that be? Could it be that there’s no good way to explain your lifestyle to people? “Other people just don’t understand how smart I am that I just like cute things so much!” But that’s not where it ends is it. That’s not what it is at all. That’s the nice way you put it to yourself and explain it to strangers on the internet who know you’re insane. You’ll object but you’re lying and we both know it.

Everyone in your life would turn on you if you were honest about yourself with them and you know it.

Most people proudly declare to their family when they have found the person of the opposite sex that they’re going to spend their lives with. Why would you feel like it’s none of your family’s business who you want to spend time with? Why would that be? Why wouldn’t you feel like it’s something to share with those around you? What would make you feel that way? Hmmmm hmmmmm what could it be?????

What could those signs of mental illness be? It’s a total mystery. You already know that you’re very sick and I’m not going to pull out the DSM. In fact I think pedophilia in and of itself is classified as a mental illness. But I guess that’s new information to you. Or you’ll find a way to explain how in your case it’s different.

Theres no reason for me to attempt to find you. It’s a waste of my time.

You don’t feel free to express these ideas with your family. Why not? Would you face consequences? What kind of consequences? What if you told a random father of a young child? Would you still feel so entitled to exercise to that “law of nature?” Do you do that? Is that something you do frequently? Tell a random man who happens to have a gun in his hand your sexual preferences. He has the right bestowed on him to carry a weapon and you have the right to speak freely. Why don’t you try that out? Why wouldn’t you try that out? What’s stopping you?

Oh I suppose we don't have the right to speak freely to anyone without being killed. It's more accurate to say that we have the right to speak freely to people who can't escalate to phyisical violence. Just like how we are having a conversation even though neither one of us can kill eachother. That's the right I'm talking about. That's the kind of free expression I choose to participate in, and because of it, I get to have interesting conversations with people who disagree with me.

I also plan to proudly declare to my family when I find an adult of the opposite sex that I'm going to spend the rest of my life with. The fact that I want to spend lots of time with my family and lots of time with this hypothetical adult wife is why it becomes their business, because at a certain point the scheduling only works if everyone meets up together. Like a party. A mental illness on the other hand isn't the same thing. I can easily wait until I'm alone to jack off to loli porn. That's why my sexual attraction isn't any of their business.

The idea that a person's family has the right to know what they finds hot reminds me of this funny, but horrifyingly cringey post:

If you think the DSM-5's definition of pedophilia perfectly matches your own then I don't mind pulling it up. Well the actual DSM manuel costs money, but there are plenty of sources repeating what it says. I found a page that lists the following three criterion for who is a pedophile: A) An individual who has had arousing fantasies about, urges for, or behaviors with a prepubescent child or children. B) The individual has acted out these sexual desires, or is experiencing significant distress or difficulty as a result of these desires. C) The Individual is 16 years of age, and at least five years older than the child or children noted in Criterion A.

Source: https://www.theravive.com/therapedia/pedophilic-disorder-dsm--5-302.2-(f65.4)

If I have only acted on my sexual attraction while alone and under privacy then what would even change if I stopped? How exactly are people supposed to see any signs that I'm a pedophile? Are you planning to take away the privacy and alone time of every person on Earth and hope that I don't stop? Unless I actually molest a child, unless there is an actual VICTIM you could never catch me. And unless society works with the victims of sexual abuse there is no guaruntee of being able to catch a predator. And unless society treats them like people rather than like time bombs or like animals, there is no guaruntee of being able to catch a predator. Except maybe all of the retarded child molesters you are apparently content to lump me in with. Go off king, catch all those guys for me.

Listen this is really boring. I just think you should be dead. So. That’s that. There’s no philosophical or ridiculous sociopolitical hypothetical debate to have. I’d prefer if you were in the ground. You’re the same as the worst version of pedophile you can think of. You’re all the same and you should all be dead. The world would be a better place.

It’s really disgusting that you use this false idea of compassion for victims. Just add that to the list of delusions and crippling mental illness we already know you have.

I don’t care about any of this conversation and berating you has lost its luster.

I just want you and anyone else who harbors sexual thoughts about children dead as soon as possible. The world will breath a sigh of relief.

Okay, that's fine. Just let me know if you ever want to talk again. Hope you have a good day buddy.