Nostr Web Client

why do current zaps need custodians or middlemen? It’s slightly easier but you still need to run a node which most people won’t do.

I think the “bolt12 will make things more decentralized” meme is a bit over-optimistic. The only thing it does is not require a web server, but thats not even the hardest part, and is even not needed because of services like https://sendsats.lol which i use for my noncustodial zaps.

Also, how do web clients fetch the invoice? Even if you use my lnsocket library, you still need a publicly routable node to serve the offer request, then your back to nwc invoice fetching or something which is way better for decentralization nostr:note1nflxn2l39t5phz7eqnc2u076jgs00f9kw0xxgdqcdwy86szv5hgq0fuwqu

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jb55 1y ago

I spent a good year trying to make zaps work with bolt12 like two years ago and decided against it. I don’t understand why people are so pro bolt12 now, I can’t see how it improves zaps that much at all.

nwc invoice fetching would be way better: any node could implement it now, wouldn’t have home firewall issues, no webserver required, web clients could use it. It is substantially better for zapping than bolt12

bezy 1y ago

Do you know if more wallets are planning to implement nwc?

jb55 1y ago

i doubt it, this would be more for zapping, but maybe ? different use cases

bezy 1y ago

Found this https://github.com/ACINQ/phoenix/issues/537 they specifically mention zapping. I guess it also depends if we're talking about sending or receiving?

Roland 1y ago

I love zaps, but NWC enables way more than zaps. It is enabling a whole ecosystem through the ease of connecting apps to wallets https://github.com/getAlby/awesome-nwc

calle 1y ago

agree with everything although I'd like to add that bolt12 is fucking cool, it just doesn't improve zapping really.

jb55 1y ago

yeah bolt12 is great, but I hope a zaps v2 spec is more nwc focused and supports more types of payments (like ecash, etc)

Melvin Carvalho 1y ago

Not sold on bolt12. But I may be wrong. On chain payments, even play coins on testnet3/4, are under utilized, since npubs are taproot adresses.

verbiricha 1y ago

> you still need to run a node which most people won’t do

Zeus, Phoenix and Breez are nodes in your phone that are easy to run for most people. The two first already support BOLT12.

You are probably right about NWC but I've mostly seen it used to make payments, not request invoices.

jb55 1y ago

I don’t see how those could support serving offer requests if they are not open. You couldn’t use that for zaps.

Rusty Russell 1y ago

You don't need to *ask* a public node to route for you, they can't really tell you're using them this way.

The web->LN issue is real: no certs, no web for you!

Getting an invoice without waking the node seems to require PTLCs.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

public node route for pay only