Replying to a73593eb...

All these unlikely boogeyman hypotheticals cut both ways. Nowhere even close to "everyone" is using crypto much less Bitcoin. Everyone CANT use Bitcoin on-chain or even lightning for that matter! We see this every time mempool gets full.

Every node on Tor is directly connected, or has the potential to directly connect, with every other node. Lightning Network payment channels do not fully-connect. The entire network and the network topology is publicly known for routing nodes and natural incentives mean traffic consolidates to a few large nodes negating any remaining similarities to Tor. Tired old parroting of what amounts to affinity scamming.

Yea, an acolyte from "the market is always right" corner of crypto is telling darknet markets how wrong they are. The only place where transactions can be permissionless is increasingly using choosing Monero but keep screeching.
Avatar
ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

so your argument is that because "nobody" uses bitcoin (with it's 1 trillion market cap, ok)

sorry, your argument is dead in the water right there

bitcoin has already shifted most of the small transactions to lightning and the rest of that margin is going to ecash (chaumian ffs not ethereum you ahem)

lightning's network is not fully known

payments can fail because you pick a route where one hop doesn't know the next hop doesn't exist (this is a problem i hit up against with my work trying to build a replacement for tor that is based on lightning source routing protocol)

market is always right, and most people still pay for drugs with bitcoins, and there is this rabid, agitated asshole brigade called "moneros" who still believe against practical evidence that coinjoins and mixers are less than ring signatures

good luck with that

Reply to this note

Please Login to reply.

Discussion

a7
a73593eb... 1y ago

I didn't say "nobody uses bitcoin", but I see why you have to pretend that I did.

You're the one that said "everyone" can't use Monero. I'm telling you "everyone" can't use Bitcoin either.

Lol I find it hilarious when Bitcoiners claim everyone and their momma is using lightning (ridiculous, its so damn niche) even more when implied they're *actually* using it (not asking a custodian to do it for them)

You can say sender privacy of ring signatures are similar to Coinjoining and mixers (all are weaker obfuscation), but they definitely don't offer the strong amount and receiver privacy of Monero, so it's dishonest to pretend Monero only has ring signatures.

8b
8bfcf7d5... 1y ago

I didn't say "nobody uses bitcoin", but I see why you have to pretend that I did.

You're the one that said "everyone" can't use Monero. I'm telling you "everyone" can't use Bitcoin either.

Lol I find it hilarious when Bitcoiners claim everyone and their momma is using lightning (ridiculous, its so damn niche) even more when implied they're *actually* using it (not asking a custodian to do it for them)

You can say sender privacy of ring signatures are similar to Coinjoining and mixers (all are weaker obfuscation), but they definitely don't offer the strong amount and receiver privacy of Monero, so it's dishonest to pretend Monero only has ring signatures.

Avatar
ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

oh, so you change your npubs to troll

more advanced than the nazis, bravo

no, actually, coinjoin, mixer, ring signature, all are inferior to zero knowledge proofs, which are incredibly computationally expensive to validate, and make for a very compute heavy, expensive fee rate

security is a tradeoff

and you are being assinine by using a new npub to state the obvious

and abusive because i can't tell the client to ignore this thread

so i will just escalate, you want to make further counterpoints that don't actually contribute to the conversation, i will start sharing your bullshit openly with my following, and see if they have any comments

8b
8bfcf7d5... 1y ago

How am I trolling? I'm not calling you expletives or anything, and you're freaking out...

I'm responding to your argument and you immediately block me so what do you expect me to do...you know Nostr is a public network?

I agree with you they're all inferior to ZK you're the one that brought them up not me. Monero amount privacy is ZK.

If you're that upset about my mild pushback we don't have to continue this. My god. Stay in your safe space please.